[andy58-in-nh]

There are far too many conservatives and libertarians in New England and in upstate New York to simply kick them out of the union. My state (NH) is dominated by Republicans in elected office and is currently more conservative than either North Carolina or Colorado (to name but two examples), at least if you consider party/ideology self-identification numbers.

If the issues between us were neatly geographical, I think we'd be further along the road to secession than we are. There are two fundamentally opposed visions of America at present, and only one can survive in a single nation. But the division does not appear as a line on a map, but in clusters and dots. Kind of like Bosnia. That's encouraging, isn't it?

[RobbyS]

Upstate New York. ought to secede from NYC etc.. That was they could draw business to them with lower taxes.

[lentulusgracchus]

There are far too many conservatives and libertarians in New England and in upstate New York to simply kick them out of the union.

I would, I've pointed out elsewhere, partition New York at the Croton Reservoir and the middle of the Hudson channel -- leaving Chappaqua and Westchester with the Bronx and Long Island with the New Englanders, and keeping Staten Island and the Jersey Shore in the Union (and Sandy Hook, and Bedloe's and Ellis Islands -- the Socialists would get Ruyker's).

Egregious liberal exarchates in Upstate New York like Albany and Ithaca, City of Evil, would be mass-deported to the state line and driven across into Connecticut with whips and branding irons. Berkeley and Sausalito and The Castro would share their fate.