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My Judge Buddy on Severability
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | March 29, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/29/2012 2:31:02 PM PDT by Kaslin

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RUSH: I talked to the judge last night about severability. Severability is something that I misunderstood. Maybe I'm the only one who did. I don't want to say. I said in the last hour that everybody misunderstood it because of the way it's reported. That may not be the case. I'm sure my legal beagle friends understand it and would not be surprised to hear what the judge told me. People confuse the rule on severability. In this case you have Obamacare and the mandate, and what I always thought severability was, if the Congress puts a clause in the bill, the severability clause, then it's a matter of law that any portion of the law can be thrown out but the rest of the law stands. That, I was told by my judge buddy, is not what it is. The rule is not whether the constitutional parts of a bill can stand if one or more other parts are unconstitutional. Instead the rule is whether the Congress would have enacted the bill without the unconstitutional parts.

Now, in the case of Obamacare, no one is arguing that the bill would have passed without the mandate. That's the test. In fact, it most certainly would not have. The mandate was the funding mechanism, so the rule here is whether Congress would have enacted the bill without the unconstitutional parts. That's what the judges are supposed to look at in severability. And it was pointed out to me that Justice Scalia has picked up on this. The way Congress deals with this kind of issue is to put a severability clause in the bill to specify that if one part of the bill is declared unconstitutional, the other parts will stand nonetheless because that's what they intend.

A severability clause is absent in Obamacare, and further -- and this I did know, and in fact passed on to you -- the legislative history of Obamacare proves conclusively that they affirmatively took out the severability clause. It used to be in, in an early version of the bill, and then, for whatever reason, the Democrats took it out. They took the severability clause out. Therefore, according to the letter of the law, the entire bill must be stricken. According to the letter of the law, all of Obamacare must now be thrown out, because Congress never intended the rest of the bill to pass without the mandate in it. That's what severability means, as explained to me by my judge buddy. The bill has to be stricken in toto, according to the letter of the law.

In fact, my judge buddy wrote, "Ain't no question about it." And then I said, "Okay, well, what's gonna happen?" And I said, "Isn't that interesting. The letter of the law says the law's gotta be thrown out," and I still said, "Okay, what's gonna happen?" Acknowledging the letter of the law will not matter here. Politics will intercede. So I asked my judge buddy what's gonna happen. He said, "I handicap the case at three-to-one the mandate will be stricken, even odds the whole thing gets tossed." There's an outside chance the five-vote conservative majority will be enhanced by one or more libs. It could be 6-3, 7-2, to throw the whole thing out, according to my judge buddy. Letter of the law says it must be stricken. The whole law must be thrown out.

If they throw the mandate out, and there's no severability clause because the absence of a severability clause means, according to rule, that Congress didn't intend any of the rest of it to pass without the mandate. They put the severability clause in to stimulate the rest of the bill we like, the rest of the bill constitutional, the rest of the bill okay. If you throw anything out, the rest stays. They took that clause out, meaning they didn't stand behind the bill if a part of it was found unconstitutional. So I wrote back for clarification on this. I said, "Under your explanation, is it even harder for a bill to survive because there has to be a showing that Congress intended it? And without the severability clause it's really hard to prove that they would have intended the bill to stand without the stricken part?" He wrote back and said, "Correct."

That's the rule on the severability clause, and that's the letter of the law, which is another thing I find fascinating. The letter of the law is the letter of the law. Letter of the law says, because there was no severability clause, and if the mandate gets tossed, the whole thing has to go. But I doubt that that'll happen. So the letter of the law will be moderated with political considerations. Because then the reality sets in. My judge buddy then said to me, "Are these conservative judges really going to want to throw out an entire piece of legislation by the first black president?" Are these judges going to really want to have their names on the first black president's signature bill being unconstitutional? Are these judges going to want to have their names on the whole thing, regardless whose bill it is, being declared unconstitutional?

Thereby confirming what we all know, that judges do pay attention. They pay attention to election results. They pay attention to polls. They pay attention to the culture. But they shouldn't. This is why they have lifetime appointments. It's expressly why they have lifetime appointments, so that they are immune from political, cultural, social concerns of the day. Now, Snerdley is saying, "If the letter of the law isn't really the letter of the law, isn't the new precedent that there is no letter of the law?" No. The law's always bendable, flexible. The scales of justice -- Snerdley, you think this would be the first case where the letter of the law has been -- (interruption) well, the letter of the law is living and breathing, like the Constitution.

You and I all know, in reality, the letter of the law depends on the prosecutor, depends on the judge, and people are imperfect. Judges, members of Congress, everybody, we are all imperfect. That's what the law is supposed to be, a guideline, an establishment of moral character and fiber in one sense. Libs hate that, by the way, when you say the law is rooted in morality. They hate that, but you can't deny it, but they despise that because they don't like any morality, period. But the letter of the law, Snerdley, depends on your alphabet. It's no more complicated than that. The letter of the law is still subject to interpretation. Otherwise every decision would be 9-zip, wouldn't it?

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RUSH: Snerdley loves it. Everybody loves it. "The letter of the law depends on your alphabet." It's like the NAALCP. Their letter of the law is gonna be much different than, say, the SEIU. (chuckles) It really depends on your alphabet. That's why we have a critical alphabet theory. On the left you haven't heard of that, critical alphabet theory? It goes along with "critical race theory" by Derrick Bell. Critical alphabet theory and it has to do with the letter of the law and the spirit of the law and the intent of the law and, "How the hell can we break the law?"

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RUSH: Scott in Ohio, great to have you on the EIB Network, sir. Hello.

CALLER: Hi. It's great to be talking to you and listening to you, Rush. I called because you were just talking a little a while ago about the New York Times looking for who to blame after three days at the Supreme Court, and I'm wondering if you think the left media is just going through the stages of grief. Because I saw Greg Sargent in his online blog last night was saying they're not going to strike down the mandate because it will cause so many problems for the Congress if they do. Not whether it's legal or unconstitutional, but just they'll do that because it would create a whole big mess.

RUSH: Let me tell you where I think he's getting that. And for those who don't know, Greg Sargent used to be -- I think this is the guy -- at a trade publication called Editor & Publisher. He now has blog called The Plumb Line.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: At the Washington Post website.

CALLER: He's pretty deep in denial. (chuckling)

RUSH: Right. And he's pretty solid far left. This has been my point all week. I think all of liberalism is in denial, as a perpetual state of existence. But on this specific case, let's go back to what the judge told me. Let's go back to two things. My judge buddy defined severability for me. And yesterday we also had Scalia saying to the associate solicitor general (paraphrased), "Do you expect us to go through these 2,700 pages here and determine what's constitutional? You expect us to do that? You expect our clerks to do that? You're worried about judicial excess, judicial authority, judicial overreach and you're asking us to do this? This is the legislature's job," which takes us Sargent's point. Now, before I make that point, let's go to the severability business. What's different here in Obamacare is the individual mandate is the keystone of this bill. It's the funding mechanism. It is the transformational aspect. It is that mandate. The individual mandate is what will forever change the relationship of citizen to government, and vice-versa, as Justice Kennedy pointed out.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Are you with me so far here, Scott?

CALLER: I am. Thank you.

RUSH: Okay. The statute is so long (2,700 pages), so complicated, and it's all intertwined one section to the next. This thing is an intricately woven web. To take the keystone out of it does raise the question of, "Can the rest of it survive?" And it can't, because this is largely how it's paid for and for a host of other reasons. If you don't require -- if you cannot require -- people to buy insurance, everything else in this falls by the wayside.

CALLER: And I think Clement... I listened to the whole argument. He argued that very ably yesterday.

RUSH: Okay. So what I think Sargent is saying is that if the judges do that, if the justices do that, what they end up sending back to Congress is so complicated and so unwieldy that they couldn't put it back together. Is that basically his point?

CALLER: Yeah, and then he goes on. What he's saying, though, is: And that's why they won't strike down the mandate. So I think that's where the denial and unreality come in.

RUSH: I don't think that's gonna be the reason. Maybe for the lib judges, but I don't think so. No. That is wishful thinking. The effect on Congress will be the determining factor in whether or not a majority decides the mandate's constitutional? No, no, that's denial, wishful thinking, what have you.

CALLER: Okay.

RUSH: No, that's not gonna be the reason. That's patently absurd. Now, they might believe it. I'm sure people on the left got themselves in a situation where they believe that, because, look: They never would face reality. They just are incapable of it. They are in a state of shock! They can't believe that anybody could look at this and see that it's unconstitutional. I could even put it in a better way. They can't believe anybody would look at this and disagree with it. Have you ever wanted something so bad you can taste it? Have you ever want something that it just consumes you? In the Lord of the Rings, what was the bad guy that wanted the ring? What was his name?
Sauron. That's them. They are like addicts. They can't get their arms around the fact that reasonable people wouldn't want this. They can't get their arms around the fact that people aren't embracing it and falling in love with it. They do not understand the intellectual arguments, the judicial arguments opposing it. They've never stopped to consider them. They're beneath them. Their arrogance and conceit is such that the opposition is disqualified simply because it opposes, not for why. So I imagine a lot of them are clinging to some manufactured hope, like, "The judges will decide that the bill would be just too complicated for our poor Congress to have to deal with, and so they will not declare the mandate unconstitutional."

That's not gonna happen.

They're gonna declare this thing constitutional or not based on whether it's constitutional or not, and not on the impact it has on Congress. Now, there might be a couple of judges that reference this in order to have it on record, but it won't be the determining factor in their decision. In fact, the way the libs are looking at this, some of them -- if you listen to James Carville, and a lot of others now -- wanted this thing to fail from the get-go. (Carville impression) "Why, dis is the best political opportunity Obama eva had! Where my gumbo?" That's right. 'Cause they think the mandate being found unconstitutional (i.e., illegal) is gonna gin up their base. They're gonna come out just as enthusiastic as they were in 2008. Other libs are saying, "Hey, you know what? If you find unconstitutional, that's cool. We just go straight to everybody's under Medicare now. We'll just do single payer right now rather than tiptoe up to it in ten years!"

But they're all engaged in wishful thinking.

These are the people that are trying to tell us now that they win when they lose.

Okay, if that's true, let's make gasoline eight bucks and really send Obama racing back to reelection!

If that's how it works.

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RUSH: So where are the Democrats today on this? What are they doing today? Well, in a couple of instances the left is demanding that the Supreme Court cede to Congress. Just don't do anything. Let Obamacare stand. Don't do anything. It's Congress' job, to which, well, whatever happened to judicial activism? All of a sudden now the libs don't want the courts to do their dirty work. They're scared to death that this mandate's gonna be tossed out. See, the revenue from the mandate is the fuel of Obamacare. There isn't any alternative fuel. There's no algae in the rest of the bill. There isn't any windmills and no solar farms in the health care bill. The mandate is the only funding mechanism that there is.

But you notice now how all of a sudden some on the left are demanding that the justices on the court butt out and cede to Congress and let it stand because it's too big a problem. If you take something out and send it back to Congress, it's too unwieldy, it's too much work, and Congress can't do anything. Just let it stand as it is. It's the responsible thing to do. The left is telling judges not to meddle now. I search interminably for the perfect way to describe these people that will forever explain them to everybody. I know it's there. I'll spend the rest of my life trying to find it, as a means of educating, persuading, informing just who these people are.

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RUSH: Look, folks, what this shows is what an incompetent, power-hungry president and former Democrat majority Congress we had and have. There were a hundred ways to deal with health care, but Obama and Pelosi and Reid, they chose the most preposterous, over-the-top way to do this, and they did it on purpose.

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Mark in Fort Worth. Thank you for calling. I appreciate your waiting as well. Hi.

CALLER: Hello, Rush. Dittos from the Lone Star State.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: I wanted to touch on the Obamacare, Supreme Court discussions of the last week, again on the severability issue.

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: I think it's very revealing that the Democrat-controlled Congress intentionally, I think, intentionally left out the severability clause because I think they are daring the court to throw out the entire law. I think that they know that if they had put severability in the act they would have struck down the mandate but may have left the rest of it, but I think their arrogance --

RUSH: Wait a minute.

CALLER: -- I think they are daring the court --

RUSH: Wait. Wait, wait, wait.

CALLER: -- to throw it all out.

RUSH: I'm not sure I understand you. Did you say you think that they want the court to throw out the whole thing?

CALLER: No. No. I apologize for not making that clear. Obviously I think they want it to pass. I think they wanted to make it a complete up-or-down vote on the entire act in intimidating the court into --

RUSH: Oh.

CALLER: -- not being willing to vote down the entire act. I think they were arrogant enough to put that in front of the court and say, "Here, if you think you've got the intestinally fortitude to vote this down then you go right ahead, but we don't think you'll do it."

RUSH: So that's why they took the severability clause out?

CALLER: Exactly.

RUSH: And so your thinking is that the court is gonna say, "We don't want to be the ones who throw out the first black president's signature legislation."

CALLER: Because to me the interesting thing about it is the severability issue, the way it fell in the arguments was, we had all these other arguments about the mandate and is it constitutional or is it not. The severability issue comes up and then all of a sudden they had to stand back and say, "Oh, wait, if we strike this down, it looks like we may have to strike down the entire law, and I don't know if we want to strike down the entire law," and I think that's all by design.

RUSH: Okay. Just so I understand you. You think they left out severability to make it politically impossible for the judges to toss it out?

CALLER: To make it politically much more difficult for them to strike down the entire law. Because, as your judge friend in your correspondence yesterday said, the letter of the law says if they strike down the mandate, they strike down all of it.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: But if they strike down just the mandate and leave the rest of it, then the Democrats in Congress can go back and say, "Well, here we've got a Supreme Court that's not even following the letter of the law. They're doing what they want to to this act." So they win politically in two of the three options that are in front of them.

RUSH: Well, see, this is where I have trouble because you may have a point but I don't think they did this on purpose. I think they were stupid. I think they were in a hurry and I think they forgot it. They're not that smart. They are politically devious, but I'm having trouble believing that they would take that risk. That after dreaming of this for 50 years, they would construct it in such a way that the only way it survives is by daring a court to throw it out? I don't think that's what's going on here. I think they were in a hurry. I think they barely had ways to get this thing passed, and I think they just forgot it, because it was in a previous version.

In fact, let's go to audio sound bite number 24. This is Rahm Emanuel's brother, Ezekiel Emanuel who's part of the regime and he's one of the grandfathers of this whole thing. He's one of the authors. He's one of the grand pooh-bahs. Ezekiel Emanuel. He's a doctor. He's an M.D., he's a Ph.D., and he's the ballet dancer's brother. He was on NBC this afternoon, and they had a discussion about the oral arguments and the individual mandate being overturned, and he was asked this question: "Why wasn't severability built into this?" Why didn't you guys put the severability clause in it?

EMANUEL: That I believe was an oversight, not an intention. And I do know that most of us wanted severability and had certainly thought that there's severability in the bill.

ANCHOR: (clearing throat)

EMANUEL: And that's the way, again, all the lower courts have been understanding this issue, that it is severable. But I think whether it's severable or not, one has to take the tone that it really isn't the place of justices to decide, "Well, how is it best to structure the health insurance market?" Remember, Congress held, y'know, over 70 days of hearings just on the House side on health care reform.

RUSH: That's a crock.

EMANUEL: For the justices to come in and say, "Well, we've read a bunch of briefs," even if there's a record number of briefs, "We've held six hours of hearings. We're gonna decide how best to structure the health insurance market, what can be included, what can't," seems to be to be quite...

ANCHOR: (clearing throat)

EMANUEL: Y'know, usurping a lot of policymaking, which, in the past, has been something conservatives have decried.

RUSH: Wait a second, Zeke! That's not at all what the court said. Scalia said yesterday they don't want to do this! See what this guy is doing? Now he's coming out and saying the court wants to take over and run this thing when it's Congress' job, and Scalia specifically made fun of that! (paraphrased) "You expect us to do this? What about judicial overreach? We don't want any part of this." This is hilarious! This guy is also against judicial activism now. This is a guy who wants judges writing new law, except all of a sudden he doesn't. These people, I'm telling you: They're not as smart... Mark, they're not as smart as you're giving them credit for.

They're diabolical, and they're plenty deceitful. But they would gladly get the camel's notices under the tent on this bill. They'd take any aspect of it they could. In fact, one of the ways to look at this is to say they would love the mandate to be thrown out but the rest of the bill to survive so they can replace the mandate with single payer. Right now. Not ten years from now. Just Medicare for everybody and be done with it. Medicare for everybody! Medicare for everybody and be done with it, and the get single payer tomorrow instead of ten years from now. A lot of pundits are analyzing it that way.

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1 posted on 03/29/2012 2:31:05 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: katieanna

Read at least the first part of this, from Rush’s judge friend...6-3 7-2 YES!


2 posted on 03/29/2012 2:51:28 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
Read at least the first part of this, from Rush’s judge friend...6-3 7-2 YES!

Don't hold your breath. If it happens, GREAT! But I for one will not believe it until I see it.

3 posted on 03/29/2012 3:00:10 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Kaslin

I will remain cautiously optimistic until the decision is made public in June. Until then, I will continue to pray the socialist monstrosity is declared unconstitutional in it’s entirety.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 3:03:51 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: bigredkitty1

It will be fun if it is struck down for something Kagan was hired to make sure that it was all written proper and could stand the test.

All the more fun that She refused to step aside because She was involved in it.

She’s sitting there like Buddha in the front row, watching Her train wreck!

You Go Girlfriend You are so smart mmm mmmm mm


5 posted on 03/29/2012 3:19:36 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: bcsco

Stop being so negative


6 posted on 03/29/2012 3:53:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: reefdiver

Kagan is what impeachment was intended for....


7 posted on 03/29/2012 3:57:05 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

Kagan’s impeachment for failing to recuse herself from this should be one of the first things done in the next congress.


8 posted on 03/29/2012 4:31:53 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: hoosiermama
Must Read Article.

Severability clause(s) means that part(s) of the law are protected if some are struck down. Without any severability clauses, if one part is struck down the whole thing can go with it.

Great stuff from Rush!

9 posted on 03/29/2012 4:40:51 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: Kaslin

I pray this is how it goes down.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama is weak, and is a worse human being than F.D.R., on multiple levels.)
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To: Kaslin
Are these judges going to really want to have their names on the first black president's signature bill being unconstitutional? Are these judges going to want to have their names on the whole thing, regardless whose bill it is, being declared unconstitutional?

Depends on whether or not the New Black Panthers offer a bounty on 'em.

11 posted on 03/29/2012 4:45:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (... ... ... ...)
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To: Oklahoma

on what grounds? seriously. Mere refusal to recuse is not necessarily grounds to impeach and remove. You realize the chief judge would be dragged into this as to why he did not make that happen?


12 posted on 03/29/2012 4:46:35 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: A.Hun; All
You nailed this.

To: the invisib1e hand
but I hope it's so.
Me too, but there is a good chance. Here's some links via Bing:
severability clause

13 posted on 03/29/2012 4:50:23 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (... ... ... ...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Thanks...I thought I understood it correctly.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 5:50:09 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Kaslin
"Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adams, Letter to Abigail Adams, 1777

What an awesome responsibility the Justices of 2012 have to Adams and the other Framers of America's Constitution "make good use" of the opportunity they have now to "preserve" freedom for future generations!

If they "do not," then history will record their action as a betrayal of the trust of all the brave men and women who have been willing to sacrifice everything for freedom's cause--from 1776 to now.

May they feel the heavy cloak of responsibility they bear for the freedom of those future generations, and may their opinions recall those ideas of individual liberty so beautifully articulated by the Framers of the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.

"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

15 posted on 03/29/2012 6:00:47 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: reefdiver
I predict all 9 will vote to strike down the clearly unconstitutional requirement that every citizen of the USA must buy or sign up for specific financial products.

Insurance is not “health care”. It is merely a convenient vehicle to pay for expensive government regulated medical services and products.

Are we not all actively enduring the devastating results of the Federal Governments unconstitutional meddling into a different financial product? (Property Loans)

No severability clause, the whole “thing” must be struck down.

It should not take 3 months for this to be decided correctly and announced.

16 posted on 03/29/2012 6:01:20 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: Kaslin

I have a theory on what will happen and why. Obamacare will be struck down in toto. I believe that the conservatives on the court did not agree to take on this case at this time — they could have waited — if they did not believe they had the 5 votes to strike it down. I think they had the 5 votes from the get-go. So, they were ready to take it on. Also, if they waited and the law was implemented and Obama re-elected and another justice retired, they would never have the 5 votes. Just a theory, of course. I have no evidence or source to back this up.


17 posted on 03/29/2012 6:08:14 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Kaslin
Rush starts off saying his original impression of the severability issue was mistaken.

"...and what I always thought severability was, if the Congress puts a clause in the bill, the severability clause, then it's a matter of law that any portion of the law can be thrown out but the rest of the law stands. That, I was told by my judge buddy, is not what it is."

But then ends up back where he started.

"They took the severability clause out. Therefore, according to the letter of the law, the entire bill must be stricken. According to the letter of the law, all of Obamacare must now be thrown out, because Congress never intended the rest of the bill to pass without the mandate in it. That's what severability means, as explained to me by my judge buddy."

In fact, if you listened to the arguments, the justices said there is no such rule and how courts determine what is severable has varied. They spent a great deal of time debating how to much such a judgement, but there was a consensus that the presense or lack of a severability clause means nothing.

18 posted on 03/29/2012 6:16:14 PM PDT by mlo
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To: WashingtonSource
Then you think our courts are a charade. It doesn't work that way.

They can't know what votes they have before there are arguments and briefs and debate. They took the case because it was there. They could have taken it earlier and chose not to.

I predict a 5-4 or 6-3 ruling striking down the mandate and certain other provisions that are directly tied to the mandate. The entire law will not be struck. Their biggest problem is going to be figuring out how to draw the line, but they'll come up with something. As some of the justices pointed out, many of the provisions in the 2700 pages are routine functions, and it even includes some annual appropriations that would have been passed on their own. They aren't going to strike all that.

19 posted on 03/29/2012 6:23:35 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Kaslin

This entire week, from the SCOTUS arguments to Rush’s show, has been highly educational.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 7:47:29 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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