Mo. House OKs Candidate Birth Records Requirement

Associated Press ^ | March 28, 2012

[Free ThinkerNY]

JEFFERSON CITY (AP) - Birth records for presidential and vice presidential candidates would need to be publicly available for those appearing on Missouri ballots.

Political parties would be required to give the secretary of state's office proof of their candidates' identity and that they are natural born citizens of the U.S. Write-in presidential candidates also would need to provide documentation. The records would be open to the public.

[Mark]

So, written in Crayons won’t cut it?

[philman_36]

Well this bill isn't worth squat! As used in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended...

This is based on 8 U.S.C. which covers ALIENS AND NATIONALITY and is positive law, not natural law.

...or having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it existed at the time of the nominee's birth.

They've got it all wrong there as well. A natural born citizen doesn't need to be "declared" to be a natural born citizen and only a positive law can "declare" something.

[philman_36]

This is VERY GOOD NEWS.
No it isn't! Look at the wording of the bill in reply 22.
It's horrible legislation and shows how ignorant Republican Lyle Rowland is on the issue.

[philman_36]

OMG! Read the language in this bill! See #22!
This bill is a steaming hot pile of stump stupid.

[philman_36]

You don't want this thing to become law! Read the actual text of the bill as well as my snippet at #22.
This bill is outrageous.

[philman_36]

Would you mind pinging a few folks to take a gander at this piece of
#@%$)_(%^ trying to be passed so they can offer their opinion?

Link to bill text at #15 and snippet at #22.

[thecodont]

Thanks for looking at this. These people have no clue what “natural born citizen” means. Let’s hope this version doesn’t become law.

[Brown Deer]

Link to bill text at #15 and snippet at #22.

[philman_36]

Thanks for looking at this.
Jonah Vark deserves credit and KUDOS for posting the bill link.
I was just being my normal curious self by following/reading it.

These people have no clue what “natural born citizen” means.
That becomes more obvious by the day.

[philman_36]

Thank you!

[House Atreides]

Wow! Seeing this bill has sure driven you into a frenzy of posts. I agree that the bill writers do not have a correct understanding of “natural born citizen” as it relates to eligibility for the office of the Presidency and that is a flaw. However, flawed as it is, it is not a FATAL flaw in my opinion. At least it is taking a baby step in the right direction and offers at least the possibility of shaking loose REAL documentation on Obama’s birth. The alternative is to leave things AS THEY ARE NOW—specifically with no requirement for documentation. Perhaps you’d prefer that?

Now I’m not a fool. I know that in Missouri (with its Secretary of State being the corrupt Robin Carnahan) it will be possible that the bills intentions could be sabotaged in practice by the SOS and/or corrupt judge(s). But this represents (imperfect as it is) movement in the right direction. And that baby step is a legal requirement that valid documentation must be provided.

[TheOldLady]

So this bill is some sort of toothless sop to the conservatives? Typical zer0 move.  

[philman_36]

Seeing this bill has sure driven you into a frenzy of posts.
Is there something wrong with trying to inform others that they need to actually read the bill instead of relying on an article for information?

The alternative is to leave things AS THEY ARE NOW—specifically with no requirement for documentation. Perhaps you’d prefer that?
IMO the current state of affairs is better than this lousy bill.

[philman_36]

So this bill is some sort of toothless sop to the conservatives?
I don't know if that's what it's intended to be. I do know that it's a horrible bill.
IMO it basically says a naturalized alien can be POTUS and it steps over the Constitution in defining a natural born citizen.

[TheOldLady]

Yes, I caught that. I'm saying that they're using their usual snowjobberol to make people think they're doing something about
zer0's being an illegal alien, but that's not what the purpose of the bill is. In fact, it's just the opposite, and it is despicable.  

[entirely too much steam coming out of my ears these days]

[bgill]

The legal ambiguity will be whether the Secretary of State of Missouri has the right to define “natural born citizen” and what constitutes “proof” of that status.

And when should the secretary schedule the big secret visit that will be to aid in the decision?

[Kenny Bunk]

While this feels very good, its practical application will most likely never happen.

So Obama gives them the "Birth Certificate." BFD.
(1)They accept it at face value,
(2)The DNC says he's a "Natural Born Citizen."
(3)Back to square 1.

A responsible state official must simply remove Obama from the ballot, which he has a perfect right ... a duty actually ... to do. The ball must be place in Team Obama's court.

[Plummz]

Yep. Rotten legislation.

[philman_36]

Pretty sad that a Republican wrote it, isn’t it.

[william clark]

Has CAIR filed a suit yet?