That is the bottom line. Forget all of the posturing, the speculation, the questioning (even by the Justices). If this law passes muster, then our republic is finished - we will live in a dictatorship at the whim of those in Congress and the White House.
Keep in mind that they don't have to do something like this too many times, and they will have succeeded in tying up most or all of a person's discretionary income. Health insurance and health care is a big budget item, and if this law stands it'll now be controlled by the government. Add in "environmental concerns" and you'll have government CHOOSING YOUR CAR FOR YOU - oh, sure, it'll be challenged, but it'll lose based on this case. Ditto for housing and college - the do-gooder fascists will come up with some excuse related to "the common good" for any mandate, and then will use this case as precedent.
This case IS the line in the sand. Either the law is struck down and we still retain some of our liberties with a chance to restore more in the future, or it is not and we retain none and say goodbye to the America that we have loved for generations. It is that simple.
BTW, for those who won't support a Republican candidate who is not of your choosing, think about Obama appointing another 1, 2 or 3 justices (and, especially, replacing Thomas, Alito or Scalia). Think about the hundreds of District and Appeals Court judges he will appoint in the next 4 years. If Obama gets to do that, regardless of how this case turns out, our republic is dead. This election is THAT important - and sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is the best choice, because if it isn't chosen then the greater evil wins. Obama is an extremely radical opponent of limited government and of American exceptionalism. He will accelerate the tearing down of this country in a 2nd term - so that term must not come about. I am NOT a Romney supporter by any stretch of the imagination, and I am PLENTY pissed off at what the Republican establishment has done over the past few decades, but I'll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation's destruction.
I pray that I am wrong... but I swear that I can see the end of our Republic in our time... and that pains me worse than death. Maybe I shouldn't care as much as I do or love my Republic as much as I do or base my life on our Freedoms and Liberty as much as I do... but I am a GOD fearing Patriot and I know no other way.
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I like the way you see the macro view, zooming out to show us the real consequences. As you say, next they will insist on universal housing, college, vehicles and nutrition dictated by Big Brother.
This got me thinking... if the fedguv is overseeing all health care expenditures, won’t it have to use actuaries just like private insurers do? They would need to approve/refuse treatments and coverage just as Big Insurance does now.
Consider this: do I have to pay identical premiums of an alcoholic, an openly gay young man, or an extreme motocross high jumper, or a street gangster, or a chain smoker, a 500 pound man, a martial arts cage fighter? All of these are demonstrably more dangerous and promise large medical bills.
I’m a boring white collar man who stays in shape and drinks a few beers now and then. Do I pay exactly the same as they do? When the government is the only insurer left in the game (that IS their stated goal) will they offer custom-packaged coverage tiers?
Will the lone insurer (gov) penalize or fee individuals based on their behavior? If not, why not? Boring folks like me will be getting ripped off big time. This pandoras box will bring forth a monster, with even uglier monsters in its’ wake.
“...but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.”
I hope that everyone reads your paragraph very carefully. This is a high-stakes game. Yesterday’s “open mike” slip-up is just a tiny, tiny peek behind the curtain.
Mitt Romney. Another Romneybot argument.
FUMR.
“If Congress can regulate commerce by doing this, then they can literally do anything at all.
That is the bottom line. Forget all of the posturing, the speculation, the questioning (even by the Justices). If this law passes muster, then our republic is finished - we will live in a dictatorship at the whim of those in Congress and the White House.
Keep in mind that they don’t have to do something like this too many times, and they will have succeeded in tying up most or all of a person’s discretionary income. Health insurance and health care is a big budget item, and if this law stands it’ll now be controlled by the government. Add in “environmental concerns” and you’ll have government CHOOSING YOUR CAR FOR YOU - oh, sure, it’ll be challenged, but it’ll lose based on this case. Ditto for housing and college - the do-gooder fascists will come up with some excuse related to “the common good” for any mandate, and then will use this case as precedent.
This case IS the line in the sand. Either the law is struck down and we still retain some of our liberties with a chance to restore more in the future, or it is not and we retain none and say goodbye to the America that we have loved for generations. It is that simple.
BTW, for those who won’t support a Republican candidate who is not of your choosing, think about Obama appointing another 1, 2 or 3 justices (and, especially, replacing Thomas, Alito or Scalia). Think about the hundreds of District and Appeals Court judges he will appoint in the next 4 years. If Obama gets to do that, regardless of how this case turns out, our republic is dead. This election is THAT important - and sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is the best choice, because if it isn’t chosen then the greater evil wins. Obama is an extremely radical opponent of limited government and of American exceptionalism. He will accelerate the tearing down of this country in a 2nd term - so that term must not come about. I am NOT a Romney supporter by any stretch of the imagination, and I am PLENTY pissed off at what the Republican establishment has done over the past few decades, but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.”
Agree 100% with everything you said. In fact, I could have written it myself. Unfortunately, there are many on this web site who will willfully indirectly contribute to this country’s demise by refusing to vote AGAINST Obama. The idea that Obama and Romney are essentially equivalent is moronic and ignorant.
Yes, this is either our road back to a Constitutional Republic or is the final nail in our coffin. If the USSC allows this atrocity to continue, then our representatives can force us to do anything their little pea-brain self-absorbed socialist minds dictate.
If so, then stand by for ever increasing legislation that furthers the so-called good in the "general welfare" and "commerce clauses", much to chagrin of our Founding Fathers and their original intent. At which point, a clandestine RVII will commence - watch.
Civil disobedience is coming if the USSC doesn't follow our Constitution regarding this issue. The Obamacare lawyers can parse and spin and claim different precedence all day, but the fact remains this is the biggest socialist over-reach of liberties in our Country's history. I will not abide.
I will NOT have wasted 11 years of my life in the Navy, and will not watch all the wonderful military young men and women who have died and maimed for a Country that will no longer allow them the freedom of choice. I will fight in my old age in any way I can against such totalitarianism. I did it before - I will do it again. I WILL stand.
I totally agree, but even if Chairman O loses in November, he'll do everything in his power until January to widen the destruction he has already started!
You said - “but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.”
I opine that it makes no difference. Romney is a ‘clone’ for Obama, he just has an R at his name.
IF Romney is the candidate, we truly have no choice. This NOT a case of sour grapes, rather a reasoned assessment of Romenys past policies and current words. He LIKES Obamacare.
Either way, we are in deep doo-doo. TPTB do not desire for ObamaCare to go away, it is the very real enslaving enablement that they have worked so hard for.
A vote for Romeny IS a vote FOR ObamaCare.
If that happens, it will through goading of the masses hasten the sort of major correction that we need per Tytler's cycle:
from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.
If we elect a lukewarm GOPer, all we do is slow the death and delay the inevitable.
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BTW, for those who won’t support a Republican candidate who is not of your choosing, think about Obama appointing another 1, 2 or 3 justices (and, especially, replacing Thomas, Alito or Scalia). Think about the hundreds of District and Appeals Court judges he will appoint in the next 4 years. If Obama gets to do that, regardless of how this case turns out, our republic is dead. This election is THAT important - and sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is the best choice, because if it isn’t chosen then the greater evil wins. Obama is an extremely radical opponent of limited government and of American exceptionalism. He will accelerate the tearing down of this country in a 2nd term - so that term must not come about. I am NOT a Romney supporter by any stretch of the imagination, and I am PLENTY pissed off at what the Republican establishment has done over the past few decades, but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.
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AMEN! I could not have stated this any better!