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Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing
cainconnections.com ^ | 26 March, 2012 | Herman Cain

Posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by marktwain

Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain told The Daily Caller he’s concerned that the facts of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s killing may be getting lost amid the heated political and racial rhetoric surrounding the case.

“Where is the investigation?” Cain said in an email to TheDC. “That is the question that should be asked, and answered, before all of this ‘swirling rhetoric’ creates an even more tense situation out of this very tragic incident. We need a complete investigation and all the facts, not a premature ‘War of Words.’”

Cain added that were there are some troubling questions about how police initially handled Martin’s death, the facts need to come out before the American people rush to judgment.

“On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing,” Cain said. “And it appears as if the suspect was not taken into custody. It appears there wasn’t an immediate or thorough investigation.”

“I’m not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case,” he continued.

African-American conservative commentator Deneen Borelli told TheDC she thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldn’t “condone” the way some activists have handled the Martin shooting.

“He [King] would never condone what Spike Lee has done, who tweeted Zimmerman’s address,” Borelli, the author of “BlackLash,” a book critical of tactics employed by some progressives in situations where race may be a factor, said. “He would not condone President Obama’s comments and Al Sharpton injecting himself into this situation the way that he has. This is something that Martin Luther King would absolutely not stand for.”


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To: Larry Lucido
Your retarded headline needs to be shot.

Not my headline, Freerepublic rules are that headlines are not to be changed.

21 posted on 03/27/2012 9:02:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: dirtboy

“He contradicts himself:”

Bingo! You got that right.


22 posted on 03/27/2012 9:08:43 AM PDT by Tomato lover
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To: CitizenUSA
Except that he couldn't resist casting aspersions on the police for not doing a good investigation, even though he says he doesn't know all the facts. Yeah, we don't know the whole story, but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled. ...

Yup ... I suggest Cain go out here for the preliminary police reports. Perhaps some of his troubling questions would be answered.
23 posted on 03/27/2012 9:23:57 AM PDT by khelus
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To: dirtboy
“On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing,” Cain said. “I’m not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case,” he continued.

I don't see a contradiction here. It was a senseless killing. If you accept Zimmerman's story at face value, then Trayvon attacked senselessly and was killed for it. Cain isn't saying it was cold blooded, that Zimmerman was wrong, or that the police were racist.

“Where is the investigation?” . . . troubling questions about how police initially handled Martin’s death . . . It appears there wasn’t an immediate or thorough investigation.”

I don't necessarily have a problem with this either. The country would be much better off if the police had documented a complete and thorough investigation so that they could tell the morons on the left where to go. Given the information that is being made public by the biased media, it is not clear whether the police did their job correctly. It may be that the lawyers are stifling the public affairs officers as they decide what they can say about a juvenile delinquent who was killed in self-defense, but the police are not covering themselves with glory by presenting the results of a complete and professional investigation.

24 posted on 03/27/2012 9:44:16 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: marktwain

OMG you’re right. The blog has this retarded headline!


25 posted on 03/27/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing

Can I mambo dogface to the banana patch.

26 posted on 03/27/2012 10:03:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Jack Burton007
“but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled” If this is how you see it then you’ve not been keeping up on the facts. Stop listening to the MSM on this and do a little reading into what happened. The evidence and the facts point to this shooting being a justified case of self defense. Just read some of the threads here on FR and you’ll see what I mean.

If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.

Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of his authority when he chose to disregard the advice of the police dispatcher and move to confront Martin

That much has been established by Zimmerman's own admissions

And choosing to close in on Martin made Zimmerman the aggressor in this situation. The fighting and use of a gun would never have occurred had Zimmerman decided to obey the law and just do his job as the neighborhood watch. The key word is WATCH. Not confront.
27 posted on 03/27/2012 10:29:22 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

I see you’re still posting info that was given to you by the Mainsteam Media. Therefor you’re ignoring the current evidence that disputes your comments. If you are going to comment on a subject try to get up to date info on it otherwise you just look foolish.

Those who are making comments such as yours are too busy drinking the MSM koolaid and not thinking for themselves. If you’re here trying to rally up support for poor little Tryvon then I think you’re preaching to the wrong choir. We’re keeping up with all new information being released and much of what you have stated has been discredited as nothing more than the race baiter views.

Catch up or shut up.


28 posted on 03/27/2012 10:34:32 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Just for the record, Zimmerman was grilled 5 hours for the shooting. I think I read he was cuffed before he got into the police car. I might have that detail wrong; there’s so much stuff out there that is not true.

You do have the details wrong as several eyewitnesses claim that Zimmerman and the police onscene were laughing and smoking together in the aftermath of the shooting. At no time is there any evidence that Zimmerman was treated as a suspect in this shooting.

For example there is no evidence that Zimmerman was asked to submit to an alcohol or drug test to see if he was under the influence of a substance that could have clouded his judgement. Nor have I heard that his weapon was taken into custody pending further investigation.

All in all it seems that Zimmerman gave a wink and a nod and the police just accepted his version of events without any question.
29 posted on 03/27/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Jack Burton007
I see you’re still posting info that was given to you by the Mainsteam Media. Therefor you’re ignoring the current evidence that disputes your comments. If you are going to comment on a subject try to get up to date info on it otherwise you just look foolish.

Looks like I am making you uncomfortable by asking questions you cannot answer. Ha!

Those who are making comments such as yours are too busy drinking the MSM koolaid and not thinking for themselves. If you’re here trying to rally up support for poor little Tryvon then I think you’re preaching to the wrong choir. We’re keeping up with all new information being released and much of what you have stated has been discredited as nothing more than the race baiter views.

Again you fall into the trap of personal attacks which is proof positive you cannot provide any factual information to refute what I am posting

Catch up or shut up.

Wouldn't your statement be better applied to you?

Bottom line: People are not going to let this get swept under the rug and "move on" as Zimmerman so desperately is wanting

There are several unanswered questions that need answers. Why don't you give it a try?
30 posted on 03/27/2012 10:51:38 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Pollster1
-- I don't see a contradiction here. It was a senseless killing. --

And Hiroshima was a senseless bombing.

31 posted on 03/27/2012 10:52:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jack Burton007

Rooivalk is immune to facts, and isn’t nearly as entertaining on this subject as are a couple of the others. Its commentary will dry up if nobody corresponds with it.


32 posted on 03/27/2012 10:56:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rooivalk

The only reason I’m not falling for your race baiting comment is that I expect someone who acts as if they know all the facts to at least keep current on new developments in the case.

You state many false claims that, if you were to read many of the postings on FR would show you that your wrong on many of your assumptions. Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.

While he was near his car Martin confronted him. Asking Zimmerman if he was following him and if Zimmerman had a problem. When Zimmerman said he had no problem Martin attacked him. Witness accounts also back this up.

In the attack Martin sat on Zimmerman and beat his head against the ground and punched Zimmerman in the face. Evidence and Witness accounts back this up.

According to Zimmerman, his shirt road up and Martin saw his gun. Martin and Zimmerman fought over who would gain possession of the gun. That is when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Evidence and witness accounts back up Zimmerman more than they do Martin. You would have to do some pretty huge contortions of facts to believe that Martin is the innocent little angel that the Sharpton camp is trying to portray him as. It appears that you are more than willing to believe Sharpton and Martins’ parents more than evidence or witness accounts.

The only unanswered questions are why have they locked down all of Martin’s school records or many of the findings on Martin done by the FL police? Why is there scrubbing of Martin’s Facebook and Twitter pages and comments?

Are you that big of an idiot to ignore all this?

You’re posting from ignorance in what you’re saying. New evidence has been leaking out day by day and it’s painting a very different picture of Martin than the one you appear to believe.

Since you obviously refuse to catch up, I suggest that you shut up since you’re fighting from a point of view that is more Sharpton than facts.

Amazing that you’ve kept your liberal leanings hidden so long on FR and not been found out.

Guess you’ve played your race card now.


33 posted on 03/27/2012 11:03:55 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Jack Burton007
Maybe you can answer the biggest question regarding this shooting and that is Why did Zimmerman chose to leave the warmth and safety of his vehicle and move to engage Martin on foot?

This was after the police dispatcher asked him to remain where he was.

Did Zimmerman observe some sort of crime that caused him to have to take action? At this point there seems to be nothing to support that view. Do you have information that says otherwise? If so then post it for everybody to see

So again, the question I pose to you is why did Zimmerman chose to proceed on foot and engage Martin? Well?
34 posted on 03/27/2012 11:04:14 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

>If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.

This may well be true. However someone following you is not grounds to beat them up.

>Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of his authority when he chose to disregard the advice of the police dispatcher and move to confront Martin

What authority are you talking about? As a private citizen, he had the right to go any public place he wanted, and that includes following someone if he likes. Also, the suggestions of a police dispatcher are nothing more than suggestions, not in any way legally binding.

According to what I’ve read, Zimmerman was on his way back to the truck when he was assaulted. Seems to me like he gave up on the pursuit.

>And choosing to close in on Martin made Zimmerman the aggressor in this situation. The fighting and use of a gun would never have occurred had Zimmerman decided to obey the law and just do his job as the neighborhood watch. The key word is WATCH. Not confront.

Bollocks. Under no circumstances is someone following you equivalent to initiating violence. You can spin whatever you nonsense you like, but the person who started the violence here is to blame. Period. There is at least one witness that backs up Zimmerman’s story, and they say that the kid started the violence.

And let me once again state the obvious- following someone is not violence.


35 posted on 03/27/2012 11:05:56 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Cboldt

Rooivalk is an ignorant troll who has just ousted themselves.

They should be treated like the Paultards who were posting on here in droves and banned from FR. We want thinking conservatives not ignorant liberal trolls.


36 posted on 03/27/2012 11:06:08 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: marktwain

THIS JUST IN:

Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.

Advice to liberals and media: Steer into the skid and keep you foot on the gas.


37 posted on 03/27/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Jack Burton007
The only reason I’m not falling for your race baiting comment is that I expect someone who acts as if they know all the facts to at least keep current on new developments in the case.

Can you post any excerpts from ANY of my responses to this matter that mention race? I challenge you to do so.

It seems that this race thing is a smokescreen you are attempting to hide behind because you cannot carry on an intelligent discussion. Am I correct?
38 posted on 03/27/2012 11:09:16 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

I answered your question asshat, are you too stupid to read?

You are one of the few FR posters still commenting that Zimmerman went after Martin and hunted him down.

The fact that you still cling to this demonstrates that you are either ignorant or wishing to race bait. Either way you can go screw yourself. You’re too stupid to waste time on.


39 posted on 03/27/2012 11:09:38 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Jack Burton007
You state many false claims that, if you were to read many of the postings on FR would show you that your wrong on many of your assumptions. Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.

So you admit that Zimmerman decided to leave his car and follow Martin ON FOOT. That action right there makes Zimmerman the aggressor since he had NO AUTHORITY to confront anyone on foot or otherwise.No authority. Nada.

Zimmerman's job was to WATCH, not confront. And I ask you what part of WATCH don't you understand?

Even the police dispatcher agreed that Zimmerman was to WATCH and not engage. Yet he made the choice to engage. On foot.

So tell us why did he do that?
40 posted on 03/27/2012 11:17:32 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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