Pat Toomey: Mitt Romney is a conservative (Another Vichy Republican sellout like DeMint...)

Morning Call ^ | 3/23/12 | Colby Itkowitz

[jimbo123]

Mitt Romney got the next best thing Friday to an endorsement from U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey, he got validation.

"I think Mitt Romney is a conservative and if he's president, he'll govern as a conservative," Toomey, R-Pa., told reporters after a speech to the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference, the annual gathering of conservatives in the state.

Toomey made his mark in Washington hunting down and replacing Republican moderates in Congress with Republican conservatives as president of Club for Growth, a powerful anti-tax group.

A tea party kingmaker, U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., also affirmed Romney's conservatism after meeting with him Thursday on Capitol Hill.

[sand lake bar]

No.
What about a person who fooled around 5 years ago, but no longer does?
Anyhow, I think the realm of politics is not quite as simple as your analogy suggests.

[sand lake bar]

Now let me ask you this. If Romney wins the nomination, and Newt, Rick, and Sarah are up on that stage with him, are they no longer conservatives?

[EternalVigilance]

Not in their actions.

Sorry, but if the words don’t match the actions, I always believe the actions.

It’s just common sense.

[maryz]

So, Pat, how much did Romney pay you for that endorsement?

Were these latest endorsements necessarily bought and paid for? Yes, we know about Pawlenty and Nikki Haley and certainly others. I was wondering, though, if it could be party pressure, i.e., "Endorse him or we won't support you for re-election; we'll support someone more cooperative in a primary against you." As I say, just wondering . . .

[Charles Henrickson]

If he's the nominee, then I'm writing in Sarah Palin's name. . . .

What will you do if Palin herself endorses Romney? Palin has said she's ABO, and that includes Romney. This may present a dilemma.

[xrmusn]

kinda like helen thomas thinks that she is attractive.
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Not a good example as there are few persons ‘less attractive’ than her, so we can’t get a good ‘read’ on the comparison.

[Diogenesis]

Captain Etch-a-sketch:
"Pat, this thingy is the perfect size.
Mount it on the roof
of my wife’s second Cadillac."

“Willard, what the hell is that child doing on the roof?”

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Romney's bad behavior Exposed by Seamus

"Romney Loses Nomination Over Dog Abuse? -
Romney was traveling that summer with his wife, five sons,
and Seamus to his parent's cottage on Lake Huron.
But hours into the ride, Seamus apparently suffered diarrhea,
which ran down the back window of the car.
David Kravitz wrote on BlueMassGroup, a liberal blog.
"It also strikes me as classic Romney:
it solves a problem efficiently, in a business-like manner,
and with no regard whatsoever for the suffering
that the solution may cause."

"But the details of the event are more than unseemly
- they may, in fact, be illegal.
Massachusetts's animal cruelty laws
specifically prohibit anyone from carrying an animal
"in or upon a vehicle, or otherwise,
in an unnecessarily cruel or inhuman manner
or in a way and manner which might endanger
the animal carried thereon.
"An officer for the Massachusetts Society
for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals responded
to a description of the situation saying
"it's definitely something I'd want to check out."
The officer, Nadia Branca, declined to give
a definitive opinion on whether Romney broke the law
but did note that it's against state law to have a dog
in an open bed of a pick-up truck, and
"if the dog was being carried in a way that endangers it,
that would be illegal."

[sand lake bar]

For me, I would say that they weighed the facts, used their judgment, and opted for what they considered to be the option most likely to advance the conservative cause.

By continuing to narrow down the perimeter of conservatism, one runs the risk of creating a fortress of irrelevancy.

[EternalVigilance]

For me, I would say that they weighed the facts, used their judgment, and opted for what they considered to be the option most likely to advance the conservative cause.

Sorry again, but some of us figured out quite awhile ago that you don't "advance the conservative cause" by supporting liberal politicians and policies.

By continuing to narrow down the perimeter of conservatism, one runs the risk of creating a fortress of irrelevancy.

Is there anything left to you that is not open to compromise?

After all, we are talking about the most liberal governor in American history, the biggest phony in American politics today.

[sand lake bar]

And yet, so many wise conservatives—including many Freepers—disagree with you on that.

[EternalVigilance]

By continuing to narrow down the perimeter of conservatism, one runs the risk of creating a fortress of irrelevancy.

After thinking about your post for a bit, I have to say that it is folks like yourself who have "narrow[ed] down the perimeter of conservatism," all the way to the vanishing point, when it comes to politicians.

This was already apparent four years ago with the nomination of John Judas McCain. But with Romney it is so painfully obvious that it's almost laughable.

This is the guy who violated the law and the Massachusetts constitution when he unilaterally instituted homosexual fake marriage. The guy who completely homosexualized state government and the public schools. The guy who picked liberals, mostly Democrats, for virtually all of the judicial seats. The guy who banned guns. The guy who passed socialized medicine, complete with $50 (now free) co-pay taxpayer-funded abortions. And lots more.

“There remains the one standard that has not yet been universally used, namely, the choosing of candidates on moral grounds. A nation always gets the kind of politicians it deserves. When our moral standards are different, our legislation will be different. As long as the decent people refuse to believe that morality must manifest itself in every sphere of human activity, including the political, they will not meet the challenge of Marxism. Contemporary history proves that modern political leaders, devoid of a moral inspiration and relying solely on a mass basis (might makes right), proves ineffectual in time of crisis."

-- Fulton Sheen, “COMMUNISM and the CONSCIENCE of the WEST” -1948

[Lancey Howard]

No surprise here since, like Romney, Toomey is a homo hugger who supported the sodomization of the US military through repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’. Them homo huggers stick together.

[EternalVigilance]

And yet, so many wise conservatives—including many Freepers—disagree with you on that.

Wise? LOL...I don't think so.

"Consider well the important trust...which God...[has] put into your hands...To God and posterity you are accountable for [your rights and your rulers]...Let not your children have reason to curse you for giving up those rights and prostrating those institutions which your fathers delivered to you...look well to the characters and qualifications of those you elect and raise to office and places of trust...Think not that your interests will be safe in the hands of the weak and ignorant; or faithfully managed by the impious, the dissolute and the immoral. Think not that men who acknowledge not the providence of God nor regard His laws will be uncorrupt in office, firm in defense of the righteous cause against the oppressor, or resolutely oppose the torrent of iniquity...Watch over your liberties and privileges - civil and religious - with a careful eye." -- Matthias Burnett

I note that you didn't answer my question:

"Is there anything left to you that is not open to compromise?"

[sand lake bar]

Yes. There are some things on which I will not compromise.
But the main point here is that while you and others who share your views may be wise and thoughtful, you don’t own a corner on what it means to be “conservative.”

[EternalVigilance]

So, you’re saying that you can support the most liberal governor in American history and still credibly claim to be “conservative.”

Seems quite unreasonable and illogical to me.

Words are important. We should pay close attention to the words politicians use. But actions speak far louder than words.

[EternalVigilance]

"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character..."

-- Noah Webster, Letters to a Young Gentleman Commencing His Education, 1789

[EternalVigilance]

Yes. There are some things on which I will not compromise.

Like what?

[billva]

Yes. There are some things on which I will not compromise.

But the main point here is that while you and others who share your views may be wise and thoughtful, you don’t own a corner on what it means to be “conservative.”

You could not be more correct.

The person you wrote this to and a number of others here seem to think that because they make a pronouncement that is the way things are.

Whether some of that group believe it or not not much worthwhile happens in this world without some compromise.

And I will not have people with that rigid of a standard impose it on me.

[gusty]

The reason is that just 12 years ago people on our side did not live in a bubble. That was the province of the Left. Today, too many on our side have crawled into their own bubble and believe that their personal reality is the end all, be all. They see anyone who disagrees over policy or tactics ever so slightly as traitors to the cause. A kind of Cultural Revolution type of thinking is bubbling up on our side of the aisle. If we follow this road it will lead us into irrelevancy. Me, I would rather keep moving the ball down the field, even if I have to compromise here and there. Being a permanent minority is for losers.

[billva]

So, you’re saying that you can support the most liberal governor in American history and still credibly claim to be “conservative.”

Seems quite unreasonable and illogical to me.

Words are important. We should pay close attention to the words politicians use. But actions speak far louder than words.

You have a source for "most liberal governor in American history"?

Other than your biased opinion that is.