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To: Irenic
The whole thing seems to have happened really fast. Zimmerman 1st call to the police at 7:11pm
Girlfriend calls Trayvon at 7:12 pm —that call lasted 4 minutes before Trayvon confronts Zimmerman about following him and Zimmerman responds what are you doing here—fight starts and phone goes dead.
And I believe the police report says they arrived at 7:17pm.

And where is the bit where Zimmerman is attacked by Martin coming from nowhere and hitting him?

Did he make this surprise attack while talking to his girl? Or after verbally confronting Zimmerman?

Neither case says much for Z-man's situational awareness.

And doesn't the supposed attack make the verbal questions a bit redundant? Did Z-man get hit, then ask "What are you doing here?"

Or did Z-man lie?

370 posted on 03/23/2012 5:37:38 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Oztrich Boy
And where is the bit where Zimmerman is attacked by Martin coming from nowhere and hitting him?

Perhaps you have me confused with another, I have not claimed any such thing.

Did he make this surprise attack while talking to his girl? Or after verbally confronting Zimmerman?

I have never claimed a surprise attack. From the girlfriends statement of the conversation, it appears to me, that the first comment would have been initiated by Trayvon. I have not read any place where we can determine with any certainty who threw the first punch, shove...whatever. I suspect Trayvon did but I have no proof. We have no proof that Zimmerman threw the first, either.

Neither case says much for Z-man's situational awareness.

I suppose Zimmerman's situational awareness is important to you. I wasn't planning on grading him but you are welcome to. It appears to me this whole situation went down rather quickly, shockingly quick.The first call to police at 7:11 and the police are on the scene and Trayvon is dead by 7:17.

And doesn't the supposed attack make the verbal questions a bit redundant? Did Z-man get hit, then ask "What are you doing here?"

I don't understand how the verbal question is redundant, perhaps you can further enlighten me. I believe the facts show that the verbal happened first, who spoke first and then a fight ensued--who threw the first punch/shove, again...we don't know for certain. I think what was overheard by the girlfriend in that phone call gives a direction and timeline. If that is of no interest to you and you prefer to imagine your own scenario, have at it. I find it an important piece of information and I will take it into consideration no matter your opinion. Thank you.

Or did Z-man lie?

The Z-man? I don't know a Z-man. However, I do not know if Zimmerman lied and neither do you--that is a fact. Well, unless you are an official on this case and I should think you wouldn't be discussing this on an internet forum.

375 posted on 03/23/2012 6:10:12 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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