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To: tgusa

Is it arrogance when America says it has the biggest and best ships on earth, or is it only when another country does it?. Is America the only nation allowed to be the best in the world at something?. Why is it ‘arrogant’ for someone else to say ‘we have the best’?.

Lets assume the UK builds a 100000 on ships, and one better than anything America, China, Russia etc can build. Is it arrogance to then say its the best?. HMS Daring has been called the most advanced ship in the world. If true, is that Limey arrogance?. Or just a simple fact?.

You cannot so arrogant to think that if something is American, that automatically makes it the best. You seem to have a problem with another country challenging your perception of the USN ships as top dog.

So the UK stating the abilities of its news ships is simply arrogance and boasting to you.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 9:47:57 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

But your carriers aren’t the most advanced and nothing you all have is even as advanced as our current super carriers -Nimitz. Those are just facts friend no need to get mad.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 10:00:42 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: the scotsman

I would not call it arrogance on either side, really.

The US Nimitz class na d the Ford class even more so, in every conceivable measure out class the new UK carriers.

This does not mean that the new UK carriers are “bad”. In fact they are going to be very good if the UK government ever gets it’s head out of its backside over this and just lets them be finished to the best standard possible. They are going to be very effective vessels and far better than what the UK had in the Invincibles and as good as or better than the French nuclear carrier, or the Russian Kuznetsov, or the Chinese new Carrier...but in this time frame it is likely that the PLAN will have their own indegenous carrier so we will have to wait and see what that holds.

As to the Daring, it is another very, very good vessel. Again, due to the UK governments dragging its feet, the vessels are not being launched or even commissioned with their full set of capabilities...ie. the full ASW suite or Anti-surface capabilities.

I believe it is arguable that the latest AEGIS system upgrades aboard the Burkes are as good as or better than the new system on the Darings. I believe the coming upgrades will eclipse the Daring capability in the AAW areana, and already meet or exceed them in certain areas.

Given the Burkes full capabilities in ASW and ASuW, I’d still overall class them better. not because they are US per sey, but just because of the technical capabilities.

But the Darings are very, very good, and a great compliment to the new carriers. I just wish the UK would build at least 12-16 of themn instead of the current number.

See my two site:

World-wide Aircraft Carriers
http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/

AEGIS AND AEGIS-LIKE VESSELS OF THE WORLD
http://www.jeffhead.com/aegisvesselsoftheworld/

And Compare the specs of each to one another.

Anyhow, cheers to you and the UK. We’re happy...and glad to have you as loyal, capable, and long-time allies. Our capabilities on the high seas compliment one another immensely...and I hope the draw down and indecision and confusion resulting from pols over-reach ceases and the Royal Navy gains back her luster and full capabilites.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 10:13:31 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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