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[Maryland] Senate passes bill banning smoking with young child in car
The Baltimore Sun ^ | March 14, 2012 | Michael Dresser

Posted on 03/19/2012 4:05:11 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: elkfersupper

There is always that!

I’m in an out of Maryland on a regular basis, I only live 8 miles from the state line, but I do my best to obey everyone of their idiocies because I just do not need the hassle.


21 posted on 03/19/2012 4:33:02 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All your personal liberties are belong to us.


22 posted on 03/19/2012 4:34:33 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Gabz
Because any child 8 and under must be in a child seat in a vehicle in Maryland.

KEERIST!

A 7 year old boy has to sit in a baby seat???

I was riding in the back of pickups at 7 years old and sometimes on the way to the gun range!

23 posted on 03/19/2012 4:36:28 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gabz
When I was 8 years old, I rode all the way from Lubbock, TX to Albuquerque, NM standing up in the bed of a pickup holding onto the headache rack and I am still alive 50+ years later. That was somewhere near 300 miles. We all just waved at the cops.

I guess that both I and my (now deceased) parents were some sort of freaks and should have been incarcerated for the past 50 years.

24 posted on 03/19/2012 4:38:12 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A city in my state want 12 year olds to have free condoms dished out at school and Maryland passes a no smoking in cars bill - what a strange universe we live in.....

Crack a Window and Keep your Pants Zipped

Oh for simpler times.......


25 posted on 03/19/2012 4:39:27 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The same senators so concerned about the effects of second hand smoke on children probably voted for full term abortion ‘rights’.


26 posted on 03/19/2012 4:41:38 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

God save the Republic from nanny state idiots.


27 posted on 03/19/2012 4:59:35 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: elkfersupper

Or just bag the idea of kids altogether because life is just too risky. It’s “for the children”

The government is trying - hence the mandate from HHS to provide benefits for free sterilization.


28 posted on 03/19/2012 5:20:24 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Another well-intentioned screwup by the commie libs. People will just leave their kids “home alone”. Great job Commies!!!


29 posted on 03/19/2012 5:27:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The first lesson you learn as a pollster is that people are stupid. - Dem pollster, Tom Jensen)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m not saying I support this particular plan. And the risk is that your house is next, since your child is obviously stuck in the closed house with the smoke as well.

But I disagree that this is purely a liberty issue. The argument for liberty only applies if you first dismiss the opinion that the smoke is harmful to the child.

I will argue that point from a slightly different analogy. Suppose a parent decided to punish their child by putting them in a closet with a set of burning cigarettes, so as to cause the child distress and coughing from a lack of fresh air. I think many would agree that forcing a child to breathe smoky air as a punishment would be something we might be interested in correcting.

A person’s liberty does not extend to causing harm to others, especially not trapped children who have no way to avoid the harm.

Which raises another question — does a 7-year-old have the right to object to having to breathe smoky air in a closed car? I have a neighbor who smokes all the time, and her daughter used to ask my son if we could drive her to school all the time, because she couldn’t stand the cigarette smoke from her mother smoking in the car. A law like this would have protected her without her having to somehow stand up to her mother and object to the smoke.

I know I wouldn’t want to be trapped in a car with a smoker. My mother smoked, but since I haven’t been around smoke for a long time, my tolerance for it has decreased quite a bit. I don’t ask people not to smoke, I just avoid being around them. But a 7-year-old doesn’t get that choice.

I think we miss the boat when we argue that any harm against a child can be dismissed with an appeal to the liberty of the parent.


30 posted on 03/19/2012 5:41:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Don Corleone
God save the Republic from nanny state idiots.

God gave us free will, so God has nothing to do with this. It is up to us.

31 posted on 03/19/2012 6:15:31 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Suppose a parent decided to punish their child by putting them in a closet with a set of burning cigarettes

Suppose a parent decided to punish their child by putting them in a government school, or buying them a Big Mac, or teaching them how to use firearms, or setting off fireworks in the back yard, or forcing them to eat red meat, or forcing them to ride around in an eco-friendly Obamamobile golf cart, or...........the list goes on.

32 posted on 03/19/2012 6:21:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

I knew a guy who got home after taking a semi load of grain form teh ranch into town to see the local cop in the driveway of the farm. The officer told this guys dad that at 12 years old, he really shouldn’t be driving the semi to town.


33 posted on 03/19/2012 6:47:42 PM PDT by cyclotic (People who live within their means are increasingly being forced to pay for people who didn't.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Charles,

In the words of that great poet and Philosopher William J. Clinton, I feel your pain. My uncles used to smoke in the house while drinking and playing cards. As an 11 year old I couldn’t stand it. My eyes would water. Couldn’t breathe.

I was born 30 years too late. They were having a great time. When I complained to them about the smoke they told me to shut up and go to my mom. I reminded them of that while we were outside while they were smoking a cigarette and I was puffing on an apple cinnamon flavors ecig last month. We laughed. I love my uncles.

Moral of the story if there is one...

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to sign one of two stupid nanny state laws:

Either ban smoking in cars with children or
Ban smoking in bars with fat drunk adults...I would choose the former.

The kids have no choice. The adults do. But this is about coercing smokers to quit and buy pharmaceutical gums. They don’t care about the chilruns.


34 posted on 03/19/2012 6:54:38 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: EGPWS

Funniest post ever!

p.s.——Don’t forget seat belts.


35 posted on 03/19/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: 6SJ7

Liberal logic:

Abortion is a choice
Smoking is murder

Liberalism is a mental disease.


36 posted on 03/19/2012 7:32:00 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 03/19/2012 7:51:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Further proof (as if it is needed) that MD is THE Freak state.
38 posted on 03/19/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: ogen hal

Nanny states would drive me nuts.


39 posted on 03/19/2012 10:08:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: WKTimpco

Funniest...line...ever!


40 posted on 03/20/2012 2:19:00 AM PDT by Crcl1
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