“Are you saying that we won in Iraq and Afghanistan?”
Yes and no, depending on what you’re talking about. You can’t say we didn’t win anything. What else can you call crushing the Republican Guard and routing the Taliban? They’re not in power anymore, even if nothing permanent has taken their place.
What we didn’t win was “the peace.” Nor have we made much headway with that nation-building thing candidate Bush promised he wouldn’t try. Whether we’ve accomplished anything of lasting value is impossible to say, though doubtful. Still, you can’t say we didn’t win anything.
In Iraq the Muzzies are driving out the Christians and other non-Muzzie faiths. The Shia sect will oppress the Sunnis and ties between Iraq and Iran will continue to grow.
The Taliban are still in Afghanistan. When we leave there they’ll return to power even if it takes a civil war.