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To: Zionist Conspirator
There is a very common fault on the Right to (as it were) "deify" the founders of a country. While more ancient nations have primal blood-and-soil mythologies,

With the Constitution as its graven image. Yep.

While more ancient nations have primal blood-and-soil mythologies, Americans have only the eighteenth century the the likes of Thomas Jefferson.

When I was in Holland on our honeymoon, I had to explain to one Dutchman why Americans bought and restored old buildings, "We don't have any 'old.'"

TJ was neck deep in that Enlightenment "philosope" crowd (to use Peter Gay's word). So was Franklin. Adams less so. Washington the politician. Henry, now there was a Christian patriot.

Methinks you are also a reader of Rabbi Antelman? He's goes a little far out sometimes, but he's certainly interesting!

Yup, Gershom Scholem is another. Rabbi Antelman filled in a lot of gaps in the ol' History of Western Civ narrative, didn't he? Especially helpful to me was providing a motive for the evils of Marxism in his citation to Sanhedrin 98a. I think there's a lot more to his research into colloidal silver than the desire to make money. The man is a Jew's Jew, a true humanitarian.

We live in a world run by eschatological maniacs. We do what we can to stem that toxic red tide.

The study of associations from without will always have its uncertainties. Rabbi Antelman did better than most at digging out the source documents to prove his point. There are leaps in his case, but that's just part of that type of work. You can't know what to look for without a hypothesis, but you won't have the passion to get there without believing it. It's the honesty to reconsider when one runs into outliers that is the difference between good and bad researchers.

It is only natural and laudable to applaud our founders and acknowledge their greatness. But they weren't perfect, and it is not wrong or unpatriotic to point out the flaws in their philosophy.

True. Nor is it a bad thing to point out critical flaws in the Constitution, which I have done here from time to time.

Similarly, IMHO it's not a bad thing to point out discord within Judaism. By virtue of its (understandably) monolithic defensiveness and by not acknowledging or informing the Christian world of its internal divisions, the Jewish people get treated like a monolith when the acts of reprisal are rendered evil: without justice, compassion, or intelligence.

Nothing makes me angrier than to realize that the NAZI war machine was provided startup cash with (culturally) Jewish money (the Sabbatean bund). Yet is was Jewish doctors, scientists, artists, and shopkeepers, decent people who loved the Lord with all their hearts, who suffered and died unspeakably while the atheist thieves of the world laughed up their sleeves and gorged on depravity.

It has been on my heart to help, and I think I have found something Israel truly needs to understand. The last few years is centered on the almost mechanical logic of the year of Shemitta. By translating tishm'tena un'tashtah in Ex:23:11 literally, as 'release it and abandon it' (the land not the crop), I can explain every single blessing and curse in Lev. 26 by normal military, economic, social, and environmental metrics. There's no mystery to it at all and there is very good reason why the practice during the Second Temple Period as described in the Talmud Yerushalmi Tractate Shvi'it was circumscribed from the original intent in Exodus. BTW, the founding verse for the Sabbath for the Land is not mentioned, at all, in the entire two volumes of Tractate Shvi'it, for which there was VERY good reason. Had the rabbis been teaching the true extent of Ex. 23:11 under Persian, Greek, or Roman rule, it would have been suicidal. The rabbis would have been arrested and killed, and the Torah would have been lost.

IMO, Isreal's survival depends upon understanding the long lost meaning of this ancient law. The partial measures prescribed in the Talmud won't cut it. If that causes you any distress, I am truly sorry.

I've since gone back to re-translate Genesis 4 and, yes, it does make clear the rationale for the Sabbath year. But before we continue this conversation further, I should inform you that I am a Torah-observant Christian (although my grandfather was probably a full-blooded Jew). I wouldn't want you consulting my work without knowing that.

Baruch HaShem.

47 posted on 03/12/2012 7:15:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thomas Jefferson was not only up to his neck in the enlightenment, his loose constructionism and bankophobia has made him the darling of every anti-Jewish conspiracy theorist in the country for two hundred years.

Personally, I've long held that the "Bill of Rights" was a grave mistake. Alexander Hamilton said the same thing, though his reason was not the same as mine (and his logic a bit specious).

Only "Orthodox Judaism" is Judaism, though a Jew is a Jew whether he is observant or not (Halakhah determines "who is a Jew"). Unfortunately, the true rulers of Israel (Gedolei HaTorah) are unknown to the non-Jewish world and the Orthodox have allowed the "alphabet agencies" to become the "official" Jewish voice. These organizations have no Halakhic authority whatsoever and cannot be spokesmen for `Am Yisra'el.

As a Noachide, I do not feel free to critique traditional Judaism as you perhaps do, so I'm not going to tell the Rabbis that they've gotten anything wrong--though I've certainly been loud on the default Jewish position of internal fundamentalism and external liberalism.

When I say Antelman is a bit "out there," I am referring to some extremely controversial positions he holds with regard to traditional Jewish practice, not to any conspiracy theories. He believes the 'Af-Beri passage in the prayer for rain recited on Shemini `Atzeret and the much loved Unetanneh Toqef prayer recited on the High Holy Days are actually heretical and should be suppressed. I'm not touchin' that with a ten foot pole.

As a Noachide, I am also leery of any conspiracy theory that implies that there is a "gxd of this world" separate from HaShem ("The Devil") who runs this world until G-d "comes back." HaSatan is simply an angel of G-d doing his job, HaShem is in total, absolute, sole control (with no metaphysical enemy or evil counterpart), and "Lucifer" as a "fallen angel" is a chr*stian myth. The fact that there may be powerful people who believe in Lucifer and expect him to "enlighten" them doesn't change a thing.

50 posted on 03/13/2012 7:42:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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