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To: Stat Man
Yeah, you are right Stat man, the constitution is irrelevant, its just an old piece of parchment...

SNAP OUT OF IT!

You go right ahead and keep spouting insanely stupid things like this. Marco Rubio is no more a Natural Born Citizen than Obama is. If you think that is irrelevant, then you are a hypocrite. Simply put. The law applies to everyone or no one. If only applies to certain persons based on their power within government, then we have a Tyranny, and the United States no longer exists in anything resembling a constitutional legal form.

Maybe you don't give a rat's ass about it, but some of us do, those of us who believe in the absolute nature of the Constitution. It isn't a "living document" or any sort of flexible, situational, set of loose guidelines. Either it applies to us all, or it applies to no one. Which is it?
63 posted on 03/18/2012 10:43:29 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, ortha bhais is beatha, do cheal deanaimh)
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To: Danae
"Yeah, you are right Stat man, the constitution is irrelevant, its just an old piece of parchment..."

I never said that, and don't believe that. You are an ass for ascribing offensive beliefs to someone who doesn't believe them.

"SNAP OUT OF IT!"

Do you always scream at people who disagree with you? You are a double ass.

"Marco Rubio is no more a Natural Born Citizen than Obama is."

By your definition of "natural born citizen", which isn't mine, and isn't most people's, and, most importantly, isn't the legal definition in this country.

"If you think that is irrelevant, then you are a hypocrite."

I think YOUR definition is irrelevant, since it isn't in use, and you have no hope of changing that in our lifetimes.

"The law applies to everyone or no one. If only applies to certain persons based on their power within government, then we have a Tyranny, and the United States no longer exists in anything resembling a constitutional legal form."

I agree with all of that. So what? The law goes by the definition I'm using, not the one you're using.

"Maybe you don't give a rat's ass about it, but some of us do, those of us who believe in the absolute nature of the Constitution. It isn't a "living document" or any sort of flexible, situational, set of loose guidelines. Either it applies to us all, or it applies to no one."

I agree with all of that too. But we are required to accept the interpretation of the courts as to the meaning of the absolute words in the Constitution. That's the mechanism supplied by the founding fathers, in the Constitution. Like you, I don't agree with every decision the judicial branch makes. I would like to see a new Supreme Court correct some previous bad decisions, like Roe v. Wade. However the 14th Amendment established the legal principle of jus soli as U.S. law, generally that all persons born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens. And in the 19th century, BEFORE the era of activist judges, the "natural born citizen" definition that you object to was enshrined into legal precedent by the Lynch v. Clarke case.

Now, personally, I don't believe that even a Supreme Court composed of nine ACTIVIST conservatives would even overturn over a hundred years of precedent on something most people would consider a minor matter of law, and wish you would harness your passion and venom towards causes that actually matter and could change the world, but you go on and have fun chasing windmills.

65 posted on 04/13/2012 6:24:59 PM PDT by Stat Man
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