Posted on 02/28/2012 8:14:16 PM PST by Mariner
There’s a tiny priest living in Rick Santorum’s trim, toned body, struggling to get out. The rogue priest escaped Sunday and said foolish things.
The candidate most admired for plain speech made it plain and clear that he doesn’t believe in the wall between church and state and doesn’t think much of John F. Kennedy for saying he did.
“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,” he told ABC News. “The idea that church can have no influence or involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.”
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You probably separation of church and state is actually in the constitution. I know Pruden is smarter than that so I must attribute his diatribe, to some other motive. So what is yours?
Bullsh!t.
The constitution lays out very specific and considerable powers to the Federal Government. The power to make laws. To tax. To spend. To regulate interstate commerce. To make war etc.
Yes, the federal government is LIMITED but it is also empowered.
That makes your statement patently false.
Of he had actually said what you think he said, then maybe I would address it, since he didn’t then you need to lighten up.
That is the most utterly asinine statement I have ever read on FR.
I have no intention of wasting my time debating someone who simply makes up nonsense to avoid conceding his errors.
Do you think you're the first genius to go literal to deny philosophical, and philosophical to deny literal?
Attacking the messenger becauwse you can't reconcile your zeal for the real statist with the words he spoke?
Hell, I doubt you even know what a statist is.
JFK was trying to assure Protestant ministers that he wasn’t going to take orders from the Pope. People today forget the times. In 1960, in many regions of the US, Catholicism was looked at in much the same light as say Mormonism. It was Evangelicals, a term I believe not used at the time, but correct me if I’m wrong, who wanted to hear those words from JFK before they would consider voting for him.
“Kennedy made it clear that his religious convictions would be walled apart from his political practice.”
Given that Kennedy had no religious convictions whatsoever, that wouldn’t be hard for him to do. In essence, Kennedy said, “My actions will not be affected by things I do not believe...”
Why are you going out of your way to insult Christians, on a forum that is owned by an unabashed Christian?
Thus the Congressional Chaplain is unconstitutional. Military chaplains likewise unconstitutional. Input from the public square by people of faith unconstitutional. Priests, Pastors and Rabbis in Congress unconstitutional. Catholic Hospitals treating patients at public expense unconstitutional. Jewish homeless shelters housing the homeless at public expense unconstitutional. Chaplains presiding over the dead at their funerals at public military hospitals unconstitutional. Is this your position?
Of course this is not what Santorum was talking about but let's take it to the extreme of your nutty argument.
Yeah, I know...the Constitutions says what the SC says it does...
You are a statist. And you're not half as bright as you think you are. Do you think Kennedy was correct when he said in a declarative statement that the "separation of church and state is absolute"?
They don’t need a Green light, since they are already in the tent.
As Benjamin Rush said, " The only foundation for a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”
Kennedy was a pimp who would just as easily throw his religion under the bus as pimp out his 18 year old intern to his pals in the State Department.
All are constitutional except your hospital and homeless shelter example. Once these religious institutions start becoming the soldiers of the welfare state, I draw the line.
I have not once bashed Christians on this site.
I am bashing Santorum.
Why are you making a false accusation?
What Santorum said was clear to anybody with half a brain and non statist tendencies. He was simply making the point that Kennedy’s statement on absolute separation was garbage and that people of faith and non faith but had every right to assemble and be heard in the public square. Damn constitution always gets in the way of authoritarian statist pukes.
Yes, and I agree with Madison on the issue as well.
True, but irrelevant. His speech was targeted at the audience that I stated. He made this speech because he did not want to be the next Al Smith. His words were what many Protestants, especially in the South, wanted to hear from him.
You can draw whatever line you like but you can not exclude faith organizations from government contracts. It is unconstitutional writ large.
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