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Gun shops are in a double bind. If they refuse a sale, they are accused of racism. If they make a sale, they can be charged with a "straw purchase" setup by bloomberg or "fast and furious" type "stings".
1 posted on 02/26/2012 5:56:56 AM PST by marktwain
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Yep, and that’s not a mistake either.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 5:59:38 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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But we did hear that audio tape Francine Miller says she recorded in the store. .............................. Sounds like a set up went bad?


3 posted on 02/26/2012 6:00:14 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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Not enough facts in excerpt but salesperson did do something wrong - offering the .22 as appropriate for the coyote. Not really something an ethical person would do from a hunter’s perspective.


4 posted on 02/26/2012 6:00:17 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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We asked the company for a response to this story but they had no comment. But we did hear that audio tape Francine Miller says she recorded in the store.

That's odd if you ask me.

Personally I think any business should be able to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY REASON as long as it doesn't endanger a life.
5 posted on 02/26/2012 6:03:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Why would the salesman work with them for 40 minutes if he wasn’t going to sell them a gun only based on their race? An obvious questions that the libtard reporter doesn’t bother to ask.


6 posted on 02/26/2012 6:04:24 AM PST by rbg81 (scillian's)
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I watched one of ‘Holders people’ do the shopping for a firearm in my local gunstore....and then make his ho buy it because he was a convicted felon....

I did not stay in the store long enough to find out if the salesman made the sale or not...

I would NOT have made that sale....


7 posted on 02/26/2012 6:04:42 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Store refused gun sale because of name, race...

I'm sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Holder, but I just don't feel safe selling you a gun.

8 posted on 02/26/2012 6:06:38 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (How bad would an Obama II administration be, without the constraints of re-election?)
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Agree with the store clerk’s decision in this case. If it ever gets out, I’m sure there will be some inappropriate comments on the tape that justify the clerk’s action. Given the level of perceived (thanks to our out-of-control legal system) liability associated with the sale of a firearm, erring on the side of caution is the right thing to do.


11 posted on 02/26/2012 6:11:02 AM PST by Boomer One
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You don’t buy a 22 rifle to shoot coyotes in your back yard. You could end up shooting your neighbor. A shotgun would be the appropriate tool. They were either lying or they were idiots.

I suspect that since they recorded the transaction they were shopping for a lawsuit.


12 posted on 02/26/2012 6:11:42 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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Based on the story - the store messed up. I’m disappointed at the rationalizations on this thread. And refusing service to anyone for any reason? That issue has long since been settled. My dad lost his job as manager of the Houston bus terminal because he integrated the building and the restaurant in it in the late 50s.


14 posted on 02/26/2012 6:14:09 AM PST by Mercat
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It sounds as if they spent 40 minutes and then ended with a statement that made it clear (even if unintentionally) that they were purshasing the rifle for someone else.

The “silly grin” sounds like an employee who is pretty sure he is the the subject of a heavy handed ATF sting.


15 posted on 02/26/2012 6:19:34 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Maybe the address that was given could not possibly have coyotes in the back yard. He may bave determined the couple was being deceitful and so he terminated the sell.


20 posted on 02/26/2012 6:29:30 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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*If* this couple are as they claim (and I say so reservedly from what I’ve seen), they’ve now painted a huge “I’m trouble” sign on themselves. They’ve shown that they go around anticipating (deliberately?!) trouble. They’ve proven that their idea of dispute resolution is very public displays of emotion-based allegations - including the race card.

I wouldn’t sell them a picture of a firearm, and I doubt anyone else will now, either.


22 posted on 02/26/2012 6:33:52 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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...that's when he come out with a silly grin on his face...

Looks like the gun stores might have their own means of knowing what was going down and the Millers are "known".
They may be on the "Top Ten" list of people not to sell weapons to.

Recording runs both ways (security cameras) and "shopping around" don't mean what it used ta mean.

23 posted on 02/26/2012 6:34:28 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Bernard and Francine Miller What’s so unusual about their name? I see nothing that would lead me to believe their name was a reason for charges of discrimination.


26 posted on 02/26/2012 6:40:17 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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Here is the reason given, from the article “Bernard Miller says he was told that’s because another African-American man with the last name Miller, but a different first name, had tried to buy the same gun at a Dick’s Sporting Goods store in Matthews and been denied.”

This seems pretty silly in a variety of ways. First of all Miller is a very common name. Secondly if I want to be sneaky and get someone to buy a gun for me am I going to pick somebody with the same last name as mine? I could see if the two men had the exact same name you might well think they were the same guy, but I don’t see why you’d think these 2 have anything to do with each other.


29 posted on 02/26/2012 6:54:50 AM PST by jocon307
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They wouldn’t sell me a rifle. I’m black. Ergo, they wouldn’t sell me a rifle because I’m black. Perfect, unassailable logic.


30 posted on 02/26/2012 6:55:13 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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What kind of paperwork is necessary to purchase a .22 rifle? Last time I bought one at WalMart (Mississippi), I picked it out and paid for it, then left with it.


36 posted on 02/26/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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This is the first time that I’ve seen the media upset because someone COULDN’T buy a gun.


44 posted on 02/26/2012 7:21:41 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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where i live, if you need a gun, just start a rumor and youll get one...theyll come to you if youve got the cash


45 posted on 02/26/2012 7:21:51 AM PST by AnTiw1
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