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1 posted on 02/24/2012 6:14:32 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/24/2012 6:15:19 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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I certainly hope MORE states will join this fight.

3 posted on 02/24/2012 6:18:05 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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I don’t regard this as good news.

This is just another way for the Bishops to avoid a political confrontation with Obama.

Given Church history, I can understand why they want to avoid that. But at this point confrontation has become utterly unavoidable. And they attempt to do so at their peril.

6 posted on 02/24/2012 7:03:59 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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The States Constitutional Rights Came First before the USA or the U.S. Constitution Existed

The Attorneys General should file also for states` rights in HHS`/Obummer`s violation of their respective state constitutions which have more explicit religious freedom and conscience clauses language than the U.S. Constitution and have precedent used as the basis for the First Amendment.

The First Amendment merely synopsized the explicit language in the States` Constitutions, because that is where the 13 original colonies/states spelled out their states` citizens` constitutional rights and they knew that this is where the First Amendment originated.

The First Amendment did not originate out of thin air but was born out of the states` constitutions` explicit religious freedom and conscience clauses language.

For example:

this convention doth further, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, ordain, determine, and declare, that the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this State, to all mankind: Provided, That the LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this State.

NY 1777 Constitution ---------------------

Vermont Constitution Article 3rd. Freedom in religion; right and duty of religious worship (notes)

That all persons have a natural and unalienable right, to worship Almighty God, according to the dictates of their own consciences and understandings, as in their opinion shall be regulated by the word of God; and that no person ought to, or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of conscience, nor can any person be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right as a citizen, on account of religious sentiments, or peculiar mode of religious worship; and that no authority can, or ought to be vested in, or assumed by, any power whatever, that shall in any case interfere with, or in any manner control the RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE, in the free exercise of religious worship. Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of Christians ought to observe the sabbath or Lord's day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God

All religious societies, or bodies of people that may be united or incorporated for the advancement of religion and learning, or for other pious and charitable purposes, shall be encouraged and PROTECTED in the enjoyment of the privileges, IMMUNITIES, estates, which they in justice ought to enjoy, under such regulations as the general assembly of this state shall direct. ====================

New Hampshire Constitution of 1784


IV. Among the natural rights, some are in their very nature unalienable, because no equivalent can be given or received for them. Of this kind are the RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE.

V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship GOD according to the dictates of his own conscience, and reason; and no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained in his person, liberty or estate for worshipping GOD, in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience, or for his religious profession, sentiments or persuasion; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or disturb others, in their religious worship.


Mass. Constitution 1780

Art. II. It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly and at stated seasons, to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the DICTATES OF HIS OWN CONSCIENCE, or for his religious profession or sentiments, provided he doth not disturb the public peace or obstruct others in their religious worship.

And every denomination of Christians, demeaning themselves peaceably and as good subjects of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of the law; and no subordination of any sect or denomination to another shall ever be established by law.

7 posted on 02/24/2012 7:22:16 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (States came first? ?????-?- Who knew?)
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Why now?

Some may wonder why “The Singing Dictator” (up for reelection) would alienate 50 Million Catholics and other opposed to his stupid b/c mandate?

The “grinning fool” is playing a dangerous game: agitating the population from the top down——and ready to apply the vise from the bottom up when the heat is on.

Keep in mind many Ohaha suckups-—Muslims and Van Jones come to mind-—despise Catholics, and religion in general, and are egging Ohaha on.

That crowd better be careful.

Hanging on to hatred that powerful can blind one.

Heck.....fingers, and other body parts, could even get caught in that vise.


9 posted on 02/25/2012 6:06:47 AM PST by Liz
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