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To: Harlan1196
But Leo is not a real Constitutional scholar. He is a professional poker player with no absolutely no legal experience.

So? You do know what "Argumentum Ad Verecundiam" means, don't you? On the other hand, probably not. It means that something is not true just because someone in authority says it is true.

A person with no credentials whatsoever can be correct. Facts and Logic do not bow to credentials, but are freely employable by everyone. God is no respecter of Persons, and I don't see why any American should be. We gave up practicing lèse majesté when we overthrew English Law.

Where did gain his knowledge? From actual litigation?

What knowledge can be gained from Litigation, other than court procedure? (Which in my mind has absolutely nothing to do with the correct meaning of "natural citizen." )

No. From serving as a judge?

Again, how does that increase one's knowledge of what was meant in 1787? Does knowledge fly in through the courtroom window carried in by knowledge fairys or something?

No. From teaching law? No.

Teaching law would only inform someone who focused on this particular aspect of it. As it is a legal cul-de-sac, not subject to very much scrutiny at all, it is highly unlikely that teaching general law would result in any appreciable knowledge regarding the correct meaning of the 1787 term "natural born citizen." Most law professors probably default to the simpleminded "it's based on English Common law" in complete and utter oblivion to the fact that the War of 1812 absolutely refutes this theory, as does the Expatriation act of 1868. Here is another document you won't understand.

From Google? Yes.

Nope, Google (liberal owned and operated) scrubs links on this issue. Yahoo is far more informative.

No, everything you mentioned above is irrelevant. The ONLY way to gain understanding on this issue is to research it, starting with founding era documents, and working outward from there.

175 posted on 02/24/2012 11:35:54 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Lots of people have well researched legal theories that are completely wrong.

Every case that goes before a judge has a winner and a loser. The losers are smart guys who are convinced that they are still right. But they are still losers.

Leo is one such loser. His theories have gained absolutely no traction either within or outside of any court. He has lost every case. Every case that uses his theories has lost.

That’s how things work in the legal system. You just can’t stand up and declare that you are right. You have to fight those that have different ideas and you have to prevail in a court of law.

When you can point to real victories in real courts then perhaps you can say that you and Leo are right. You cannot say that at the moment without ignoring a harsh dose of reality.


179 posted on 02/24/2012 11:50:18 AM PST by Harlan1196
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