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To: HamiltonJay; Figment; montag813; Jack Burton007

Manslaughter is a rediculous charge and alegation against this officer. it will never be made, and it could never be sustained...would probably very quickly be no-billed by any grand jury presented with it.

This lady was into drigs, as was her mother, she had taken someone else’s vehicle without permission and wrecked it into two other vehicles and then left the scenes in both cases committing hit and run. Then she evaded police capture and was ultimately arrested. While awaiting booking on these charges, she ran out of the building in a wild attempt to escape.

That line of very bad decisions led to this situation. Not the police officer.

He gave chase and had to make a fairly quick decision before she got to the street or some where else where she was going to be a greater threat to herself, and because of her fleeing, to others who would have to try and avoid her.

He was much larger than she and had he takled her, which it appears he could have done, his own weight very easily could have injured her, perhaps seriously. If he had, I am sure you and others would have accused him of brutality for that.

Or, if he did not hurt her in the process, she could have continued to try and escape and in the scuffle may have gotten a hold of his gun. It happens all too often and becomes a very dangerous situation to all involved and those standing near.

So, he used the least lethal avenue available to him at the time and as the result of a quick judgement call.

I agree with his judgement.

Unfortunately, a terrible accident occurred and she hit her head. It was an accident that could have also happened in any of the other scenarios.

It was also an accident where the responsibility lies at her feet. At any point in that decision chain she could have chosen a better course and avoided these terrible consequences.

I am sorry she was injured so terriby and is now in a very serious coma and not likely to recover (though some have). But I am definitely not sorry she is off the street. With her clear and demonstrable attitude, it was only a matter of time before she injured somone, possibly seriously, or killed someone as a result of her criminal behavior.


227 posted on 02/22/2012 12:27:04 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

These actions clearly fit the charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Now the department is going to give this cover and already has, so the fix is in, so he won’t face criminal charges for his act, but he will be destroyed and rightly so for his actions in civil court, as will the department.

As to your allegations that he made the right decision, or that she would get his gun? Seriously? Did you even look at the film? A woman who’s hands are handcuffed behind her back, is going to somehow overpower an officer weighing nearly 3 times what she does, grab his gun during that struggle and shoot him the entire time her hands are cuffed behind her back? Wow, talk about reaching into unreality to defend an indefensible position.

Go look at the tape, the mans arm was literally less than 3 feet from her, he never bothered to try to run or catch her, he just decided I’m going to use what is meant to be a last resort to deadly force, to simply do what breaking out of a TROT could have done, but he was too fat and lazy to do it.

Now had he tackled her and she hit her head during that, I’d be the first to simply say accident, this wasn’t an accident, this was an fat, lazy idiot hiding behind a badge. If this guy is so rediculously wimpy or pathetically inept that he couldn’t cover less than 3 feet of distance against a handcuffed woman who he outweighed by over 100 lbs, then the guy has no business being a cop, PERIOD.

Let me cuff your hands behind your back, then duct tape your into a position so NO MUSCLE IN YOUR BODY CAN REACT and then I’ll topple you backwards back of your head to concrete, and then, you get up and tell me how that’s the same as being subdued.. and it is not a lick of difference.

This guy used a tazer for what should have been a simple couple of steps and a grab, that he was too fat, too lazy, or both to do, pure and simple. The guy has no business being a cop, and those that defend him either haven’t watched the tape, really need glasses, or are simply sadists who need their bloodlust quelled in some fashion.


233 posted on 02/22/2012 12:52:15 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Jeff Head
I agree with his judgement.

My cousin is a Maricopa (AZ) deputy and thinks this cop is an idiot. First of all, he cuffed her in front not in back. He said she could have grabbed for his gun (remember she was high at the time). My cousin also faults him for failing to cuff her to the chair when processing her, despite her history of evading arrest and fleeing the scene, and for not even trying to pursue her outside. He has tased about a dozen people, all violent felons, half of which were resisting arrest. He does not think much of this cop.

237 posted on 02/22/2012 2:23:33 PM PST by montag813
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To: Jeff Head

You’re preaching to the choir with me on this one. An out of control person committing serial crimes, is not a time to start blaming police.Kid had a deathwish and it apparently came true. Don’t jump on LEO for someone committing suicide by cop


248 posted on 02/22/2012 8:31:36 PM PST by Figment
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