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Posted on 02/17/2012 9:28:22 PM PST by neverdem
This issue is a ruthless diversion with the added bonus of eliciting stupid talk from ultracons.
Exactly. There is a difference between a liberty and a right.
Well if this flies I want the government to pay for a bunch of guns and other assorted “arms” for me. I can clearly show in the 2nd Amendment I have a right to them. If they can invent a right for all of us to pay for everyone’s contraceptives, I can sure as hell demand a few guns.
People also forget that along with a right comes a responsibility to exercise that right properly. All seem to forget that.
But I think to win this we have to reject the premise entirely that contraception is a right. Since when? In the history of mankind, since when was contraceptives a right? Show me one government that considered it a right. And then forced all their people to pay for it for all their women. Seriously. And where’s the corresponding responsibility the women have that comes along with this ‘right’? That you can’t forget to take it? If you forget to take it and you get pregnant, the guy is off the hook for child support?
Women have the right to contraception (and any other product) in the sense that they have a right to spend their money on it or to try to persuadesomeone else to do so. There can be no right to force (or have the government force) others to pay. (Aside #2: It's curious to see feminists asking the male-dominated State for "free" birth control.)
This controversy is not about contraception. It's about freedom versus compulsion.
As long as that bad ingredient — the principle that government may coerce people to buy things for others — is baked into the cake, it will be rotten no matter how it's nicely decorated.
FINALLY, A GLIMMER OF INTELLIGENCE IS SEEN.
(We'll see how long it lasts.)
Brilliant.
this whole contraception issue is a canard, made up by the DNC to give Obama something to run on instead of his dismal record
dern rootin tootin. GUN STAMPS FOR ALL!
Thus 0bama complaining that the Constitution contained a bill of negative rights but no positive rights.
Barack Obama Constitution quote IN CONTEXT! "...a flawed document..."
Marxism.
This is a private property issue. The left would LOVE to make it about contraception/religious freedom and paint opponents as religious nut jobs, but it’s about forcing people to hand over their private property to other people as a price of doing business. Both the original and “compromise” Obama positions were the same. The only difference was about who was going to be fleeced so that women could receive “free” birth control.
If the government has the right to force a company to pay for birth control, then there’s no limit to what government can do. It could have just as easily demanded that the companies provide free eyeglasses and eye exams. It doesn’t even have to be about health care even though Obamacare authorizes it—as though Congress can pass laws that override constitutional protections.
Note: This has nothing to do with taxing me for public uses which is a legitimate government function.
It is a great convenience, no doubt, But those things that increase our comfort or serve our purposes often have unintended and unforeseen effects. Santorum offers reasoned arguments in favor of Catholic morality, but he receives only disdain. Never mind that the concept of deferred gratification, which has greatly served our civilization, tends to be swept aside by those who don’t want to wait. They pick the fruit before it is ripe.
Ironically, he discards the idea of due process. In his hurry to get to his destination, he is careless of means. This is the way of the tyrant. More and more I fear that this man is a Caesar.
He has repeatedly acted like one.
Agreed at #3.
The Left is very good at psy-ops, but in a treacherous and unseemly way. It advances the most vile, divisive rhetoric and policies that do indeed shock the nation, and throw it off balance.
The Catholic church hasn't ever struck me as a hardcore free market advocate.
When the president claims that contraception is a health issue, the planted axiom is that fertility is a disease.Throw in the conceit that people should marry without regard to sex, and you have the ridiculous result that half of the women should marry other women, and the other half should have no more than 2 children. Which has the same population implications as China's "one child" policy . . .
And if the half of the women who do reproduce don't marry, their sons have no male role model. I suppose they have an answer for that, too - abort all the boys . . .
My position is quite different. The cake itself is bad, no matter what you put in it. Government health care, per se, is antithetical to liberty. It diminishes an individual to the status of livestock. Your neighbor is given a stake in you, because he is putting up money for your medical care. He is forced to buy an interest in you. You are obligated to secure his investment by taking care of yourself according to the government's rules and the bureaucrat's judgment.
The cake itself is poisonous.
Free food! It’s more necessary to health than contraception.
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