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Italy police seize $6 trillion of fake U.S. T-bonds
Reuters/YahooNews ^ | 2/17/12 | Reporting by Elisa Forte; Writing by Gavin Jones; Editing by Louise Ireland

Posted on 02/17/2012 9:17:46 AM PST by Kartographer

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To: MestaMachine

If memory serves correctly, in the 2009 seizure there were North Koreans involved.

North Korea has the expensive European-made printing presses needed to produce high quality forgeries and, along with narcotics smuggling, has been accused of counterfeiting various currencies to support their oppressive government.

Maybe they have moved into counterfeiting U.S. Treasury Bonds.


21 posted on 02/17/2012 10:07:53 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: Norseman
Why print $5 trillion if it’s not working? Surely by $50 billion or so, you’d know whether it was worth the effort

After the first $20T were successfully circulated, they knew they were on to something good. Then they printed this batch.

22 posted on 02/17/2012 10:20:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Norseman

They had the tools and they had the tallent!


23 posted on 02/17/2012 10:34:56 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I'm writing a paper about electronic transfers and what I call virtual money. There will be a time in the future when “cash” will be gone and everything will be virtual.
You will receive “computer credits” and that will be your pay. It has already happened.
Right now the slow and steady transfer to these credits are causing cash deserts. This is when the people owed the money trys to get cash and there isn't enough physical money to cover what is due.
The government, banks, and large businesses that are valued at a certain amount could never get enough “cash” to cover their assets if needed.
Quite a lesson in future goings on.
In a few years all governments will know every transaction made for any goods and services as it will be done electronically. Your taxes will be taken automatically and you will never have to touch that dirty cash again.
24 posted on 02/17/2012 10:40:46 AM PST by lucky american
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To: ClearCase_guy

Almost no one takes me seriously, but I really see a Jubilee coming. All debts. Everywhere. Across the world: cancelled.


I agree with you, unfortunately the way I see a Jubilee year is that there is world-wide chaos and it will come down to possession is ten/tenths of the law.


25 posted on 02/17/2012 10:57:36 AM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: ClearCase_guy

“It was $134B last time (2009)”

Damn, that’s a pretty good ROI!


26 posted on 02/17/2012 11:03:03 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: lucky american

Anonymous looks forward to that day.


27 posted on 02/17/2012 11:03:03 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Captain Rhino

It wasn’t North Koreans. It was two Japanese men.


28 posted on 02/17/2012 11:09:30 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well, almost no one takes me seriously either until something I said two or three or five or ten years ago jumps up and smacks them silly. HOWEVER, I knew years ago this was going on and actually developed a solution. A very good one. A virtually foolproof and uncrackable solution. And through contacts in the banking industry, I approached several huge banks in different countries. NONE of them wanted a solution. None of them. Laundering money and moving it from country to country so it gets ‘lost’ was a plan which the banks themselves, with government help, instituted and profited from. No one wanted to stop it anywhere in the world. And that was when I knew that everything I believed and tried to warn people of was true.


29 posted on 02/17/2012 11:31:43 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kartographer

From “yahoo answers” 6 years ago! LOL

I have purchased a sealed box of Bank of Chicago series of 1934 issue of Treaty of Versailles? What is it???

this purple box trimmed in gold leaf says” United States of America”, just above a seal with “Treaty of Versailles” around it. Then, “series of 1934, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, Illinois. Addl.information on the box includes the “Mother box control # G-77777777-A, Security code # 00077, and Public Debt # 77-07. Also, one(1) scroll “Treaty of Versailles”, and a “Secret Book of Redemption Box # G-7777777-A, PD # 77-07/SC 000-77. ALSO says, “VALUE: U.S. $ 250 Billion. I understand there to be treasury notes, certificates, and several coins (gold) in the box, but it is sealed, and i don’t want to disturbe the seal. Any ideas what it is?? I’ve looked everywhere i could think to on the internet! There are 40+ MORE of these boxes!
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30 posted on 02/17/2012 12:40:39 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: DTA; ClearCase_guy
“In 2009, Italian financial police seized $742 billion of fake U.S. bearer bonds ......" This time it was 9x bigger. I would not be surprised if they had an inside man in U.S.Treasury.

Hmmmmm.......was it connected to this?

FOURTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS Behind The Real Size of the Bailout; A guide to the abbreviations, acronyms, and obscure programs that make up the $14 trillion federal bailout of Wall Street
SOURCE motherjones.com
Mon Dec. 21, 2009 12:23 PM PST

The price tag for the Wall Street bailout is often put at $700 billion—the size of the Troubled Assets Relief Program. But TARP is just the best known program in an array of more than 30 overseen by Treasury Department and Federal Reserve that have paid out or put aside money to bail out financial firms and inject money into the markets.

To get a sense of the size of the real $14 trillion bailout, see our chart at web site. Below, a guide to the pieces of the puzzle:

Treasury Department bailout programs
(Remember that Obama's Treasury Dept was controlled by his then-COS Rahm Emanuel---a savvy, connected G/S lobbyist in the WH)

Money Market Mutual Fund: In September 2008, the Treasury announced that it would insure the holdings of publicly offered money market mutual funds. According to the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP), these guarantees could have potentially cost the federal government more than $3 trillion [PDF].

Public-Private Investment Fund: This joint Treasury-Federal Reserve program bought toxic assets from banks and brokerages—as much as $5 billion of assets per firm. According to SIGTARP, the government's potential exposure from the PPIF is between $500 million and $1 trillion [PDF].

TARP: As part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the Treasury has made loans to or investments more than 750 banks and financial institutions. $650 billion has been paid out (not including HAMP; see below). As of December 21, 2009, $117.5 billion of that has been repaid.

Government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) stock purchase: The Treasury has bought $200 million in preferred stock from Fannie Mae and another $200 million from Freddie Mac [PDF] to show that they "will remain viable entities critical to the functioning of the housing and mortgage markets."

GSE mortgage-backed securities purchase: Under the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, the Treasury may buy mortgage-backed securities from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. According to SIGTARP, these purchases could cost as much as $314 billion ---SNIP---.

LONG READ---go to web site to read more and checkout the shocking financial charts.

SOURCE http://motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/behind-real-size-bailout

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The Stimulus Bombshell
MyGovCost.org ^ | 1/24/12 | Craig Eyermann
FR Posted January 31, 2012 by GSWarrior

Stunning.

That’s really the only word we can use to describe the release of a “sensitive and confidential” 57 page memo, written by then soon-to-be U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers in December 2008, about what became President Obama’s signature economic program in the first year of his presidency: the “stimulus package”.

James Pethokoukis has summarized some of the most significant aspects of the memo, which we’ve excerpted below, and which reveals the Obama administration’s thinking behind what became an over 821 billion dollar boondoggle. The bold text represents Pethokoukis’ summary of that thinking, which is directly followed by a supporting quotation from Larry Summers’ memo:

1. The stimulus was about implementing the Obama agenda. The short-run economic imperative was to identify as many campaign promises or high priority items that would spend out quickly and be inherently temporary.... The stimulus package is a key tool for advancing clean energy goals and fulfilling a number of campaign commitments.

2. Team Obama knows these deficits are dangerous (although it has offered no long-term plan to deal with them). Closing the gap between what the campaign proposed and the estimates of the campaign offsets would require scaling back proposals by about $100 billion annually or adding new offsets totaling the same. Even this, however, would leave an average deficit over the next decade that would be worse than any post-World War II decade. This would be entirely unsustainable and could cause serious economic problems in the both the short run and the long run.

3. Obamanomics was pricier than advertised. Your campaign proposals add about $100 billion per year to the deficit largely because rescoring indicates that some of your revenue raisers do not raise as much as the campaign assumed and some of your proposals cost more than the campaign assumed.... Treasury estimates that repealing the tax cuts above $250,000 would raise about $40 billion less than the campaign assumed.... The health plan is about $10 billion more costly than the campaign estimated and the health savings are about $25 billion lower than the campaign estimated.

4. Even Washington can only spend so much money so fast. Constructing a package of this size, or even in the $500 billion range, is a major challenge. While the most effective stimulus is government investment, it is difficult to identify feasible spending projects on the scale that is needed to stabilize the macroeconomy. Moreover, there is a tension between the need to spend the money quickly and the desire to spend the money wisely. To get the package to the requisite size, and also to address other problems, we recommend combining it with substantial state fiscal relief and tax cuts for individuals and businesses.

5. Liberals can complain about the stimulus having too many tax cuts, but even Team Obama thought more spending was unrealistic.

As noted above, it is not possible to spend out much more than $225 billion in the next two years with high-priority investments and protections for the most vulnerable. This total, however, falls well short of what economists believe is needed for the economy, both in total and especially in 2009. As a result, to achieve our macroeconomic objectives—minimally the 2.5 million job goal—will require other sources of stimulus including state fiscal relief, tax cuts for individuals, or tax cuts for businesses.

6. Team Obama thought a stimulus plan of more than $1 trillion would spook financial markets and send interest rates climbing. To accomplish a more significant reduction in the output gap would require stimulus of well over $1 trillion based on purely mechanical assumptions—which would likely not accomplish the goal because of the impact it would have on markets.

31 posted on 02/17/2012 1:00:54 PM PST by Liz
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To: ClearCase_guy

>>Why print $5 trillion if it’s not working? Surely by $50 billion or so, you’d know whether it was worth the effort.

After the first $20T were successfully circulated, they knew they were on to something good. Then they printed this batch.<<

Yes, that’s sort of what I’m afraid of. On the other hand, maybe they’re mostly being held by the Chinese government? Hopefully, they’re not in our banking system, to be uncovered shortly?

The whole story seems weird, and it’s strange that the reporters aren’t asking more questions about it to sort it out.


32 posted on 02/17/2012 1:12:43 PM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: CutePuppy; ken5050; thouworm

ping


33 posted on 02/17/2012 1:32:33 PM PST by Liz
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To: Daffynition
Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate. ~James Garfield, 20th President

They shot him didn't they?

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34 posted on 02/17/2012 1:36:10 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Daffynition
and then kept poking the wound with dirty fingers until he died

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35 posted on 02/17/2012 1:37:41 PM PST by Elle Bee
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