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To: Antoninus

Only thing I can say about his is:

WTF!!!!!!

One more thing, the army is not some form of encounter group, “I want to know, what is the recruit going to say when some bad guy says, hit the deck”...paraphase of Harry Callahan in the Enforcer.


50 posted on 02/16/2012 1:58:36 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: All

I think the idea is dumb for a couple of reasons. First, in agreement with others, pregnant women don’t belong in basic training intended for men, or for a battle field, and in my personal opinion, in the military at all.

Secondly, Women don’t wear their unborn baby’s on their skin, or under their skin, but deep inside. No amount of external wear can simulate one’s internal organs being displaced, internal pressure on the anterior spine, and muscles stretching where they’ve never been before.

Third, hormonal changes are accompanied by physical sensations such as extreme, incurable exhaustion, as well as mental perspective changes and emotional ones. No amount of external wear is going to replicate those chemical responses. External wear is not going to simulate constant, 24/7 nausea and vomiting, dehydration, and inability to eat along, with the physical responses to that in conjunction with all the rest that accompanies pregnancy.

Soldiers get to take this stuff off at night when they go to sleep. Pregnant women don’t get a break, and as pregnancy enters the final trimester, things get a whole lot worse. Pressure from an external pessarie can’t emulate the fullness of an infant’s head in one’s pelvis with full circumferential presure. As already said, the pregnancy simulating garb is on the outside, but pregnancy is on the INside.

Men have a musculature which differs from a womans. Soldiers are accustomed to carrying 100 lbs on their backs, so wearing something on the front for them, is merely going to balance the weight.

Their musculature is supported by very different hormones, and larger blood vessels.

The only real difference they may experience is bulkiness in the front which gets in the way of tying your shoes, and alters your balance, but they sure aren’t going to feel their hips spreading or notice engorgements in every area blow the waist, legs, feet...

Finally, I would HOPE women aren’t going through basic training at 6-9 months pregnant which makes the external pregnancy garb, stupid at best.

Nothing’s in the way during the first three months, the changes all feel chemical at that point.

There’s nothing wrong with men (and sometimes even women) learning some feelings of empathy, but I learned a long time ago that a man doesn’t learn empathy and respect as a tot, or isn’t born with much empathy in the first place, it’s not something that can be taught. Either you have it or you don’t...according to men I’ve talked to about it.

The idea is a stupid one on all fronts and serves as a perfect observable example of the extent of the problem.


97 posted on 02/16/2012 2:49:15 PM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: All

I think the idea is dumb for a couple of reasons. First, in agreement with others, pregnant women don’t belong in basic training intended for men, or for a battle field, and in my personal opinion, in the military at all.

Secondly, Women don’t wear their unborn baby’s on their skin, or under their skin, but deep inside. No amount of external wear can simulate one’s internal organs being displaced, internal pressure on the anterior spine, and muscles stretching where they’ve never been before.

Third, hormonal changes are accompanied by physical sensations such as extreme, incurable exhaustion, as well as mental perspective changes and emotional ones. No amount of external wear is going to replicate those chemical responses. External wear is not going to simulate constant, 24/7 nausea and vomiting, dehydration, and inability to eat along, with the physical responses to that in conjunction with all the rest that accompanies pregnancy.

Soldiers get to take this stuff off at night when they go to sleep. Pregnant women don’t get a break, and as pregnancy enters the final trimester, things get a whole lot worse. Pressure from an external pessarie can’t emulate the fullness of an infant’s head in one’s pelvis with full circumferential presure. As already said, the pregnancy simulating garb is on the outside, but pregnancy is on the INside.

Men have a musculature which differs from a womans. Soldiers are accustomed to carrying 100 lbs on their backs, so wearing something on the front for them, is merely going to balance the weight.

Their musculature is supported by very different hormones, and larger blood vessels.

The only real difference they may experience is bulkiness in the front which gets in the way of tying your shoes, and alters your balance, but they sure aren’t going to feel their hips spreading or notice engorgements in every area blow the waist, legs, feet...

Finally, I would HOPE women aren’t going through basic training at 6-9 months pregnant which makes the external pregnancy garb, stupid at best.

Nothing’s in the way during the first three months, the changes all feel chemical at that point.

There’s nothing wrong with men (and sometimes even women) learning some feelings of empathy, but I learned a long time ago that a man doesn’t learn empathy and respect as a tot, or isn’t born with much empathy in the first place, it’s not something that can be taught. Either you have it or you don’t...according to men I’ve talked to about it.

The idea is a stupid one on all fronts and serves as a perfect observable example of the extent of the problem.


98 posted on 02/16/2012 2:49:42 PM PST by PrairieLady2
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