Until rather recently, the “salient points of the Birther issue” were largely focused on BHO’s place of birth. Back then I was called an Obot for not buying the conspiracy theories that BHO was born in either: Indonesia, Kenya or Canada. The argument over his parentage was around back then, but only barely and at the earliest it arose in October of 2008. It didn’t really gather speed until enough Birthers were unable to look past how bankrupt the ‘born somewhere other than Hawaii’ arguments were.
You may not think the points you mention have been addressed, or addressed to your satisfaction. But, that doesn’t matter. BHO is accepted as an NBC by anyone who’s opinion matters. Birthers don’t accept it, but their opinion is of no consequence to the reality of the situation.
If you want to invent an argument that BHO was adopted by someone at sometime in the past, fine. But don’t expect anyone to buy it who doesn’t already buy into Birther claptrap.
The folks I call nuts and kooks are those who persist in repeating things that are clearly incorrect and they should know better (Pakistan travel ban, Grandma said he was born in Kenya, BC’s are all forged, etc.) or insist that their personal interpretation of law and history must be binding and everyone who disagrees with them is a traitor, Obot, or other such animal.
BHO is the President of these United States. He’s an NBC as the term is understood by the Legislative and Judicial branches. He won the election squarely if not fairly. That makes him the legitimate President. You don’t like that? Well, I can’t say I blame you one bit. I don’t either.
But that is still how it is.
I would disagree with your characterization of what happened. The Issue with the birth certificate sucked up all the oxygen from any other discussion, not that other points were not legitimate, but it was the scrutiny of the birth certificate issue which was holding people's attention.
There was plenty of reason to believe Barack Obama was born somewhere other than the United States. Prior to the release of his COLB, *I* thought he was born in Kenya. Chris Matthews thought he was born in Indonesia, and he is at the center of Democrat Politics and a Media Universe! If CHRIS Matthews could get it wrong, you can't blame ANYONE ELSE for getting it wrong.
Chris Matthews, Hardball, December 18, 2007:
But didn‘t Hillary dump on Obama a few days ago for playing up his Indonesian roots? So, what is she up to here? Is she pushing how great he is for having been born in Indonesia, or what, or simply reminding everybody about his background, his Islamic background?
You may not think the points you mention have been addressed, or addressed to your satisfaction. But, that doesn’t matter.
It matters to me and others, and that is why we persist.
BHO is accepted as an NBC by anyone who’s opinion matters. Birthers don’t accept it, but their opinion is of no consequence to the reality of the situation.
You mean because the majority says so, that, can decide the truth of something? I disagree. This is a fallacy of "argumentum ad populum."
If you want to invent an argument that BHO was adopted by someone at sometime in the past, fine. But don’t expect anyone to buy it who doesn’t already buy into Birther claptrap.
It is a reasonable enough presumption. Obviously Barry could not have had a legal guardian which lived thousands of miles away in Indonesia. From 1971 till 1979, he was underage, and must necessarily have had legal guardians. Those guardians were obviously his grandparents. It is completely reasonable that they should have adopted him, and that is why he has been dodging and twisting to keep his birth documents out of the public eye. What is unreasonable is to believe that there WAS no legal guardianship of him between the ages of 10 and 18.
The folks I call nuts and kooks are those who persist in repeating things that are clearly incorrect and they should know better (Pakistan travel ban, Grandma said he was born in Kenya, BC’s are all forged, etc.) or insist that their personal interpretation of law and history must be binding and everyone who disagrees with them is a traitor, Obot, or other such animal.
I never put any stock in the travel ban, nor whatever some foreign speaking grandmother replies to leading questions, nor to forged birth certificates, (Government create replacement documents doesn't count in this regard in my opinion.) But as for the "personal interpretation of the law and History", That is objective, and can be argued on the facts. I have seen every argument against the citizen parent theory, and they all come back to one point. Some court 120 years after the fact says that being born on the soil makes you a citizen, and therefore (by a transformation never fully explained) you are a "natural born citizen". The entire argument is a non sequitur.
BHO is the President of these United States. He’s an NBC as the term is understood by the Legislative and Judicial branches.
Who in my opinion don't really care whether or not they are accurate.
He won the election squarely if not fairly. That makes him the legitimate President. You don’t like that? Well, I can’t say I blame you one bit. I don’t either.
But that is still how it is.
To sum up what you just said, Because the MEDIA (completely run by Liberal Democrat Union Members) gave Obama the equivalent of a billion dollars worth of free advertising and interference running against his Republican Opponent, The rigged system managed to con the dullest and most superficial of the 52% of the voting population into picking their ordained candidate.
I don't consider it fair, and I don't consider it square. Not a one of these media people gave a sh*t whether he was a "natural citizen" or not, they only cared that he could win and advance the Liberal agenda. Again, I direct your attention to the Chris Matthews quote above. He gave not the slightest inkling of disapproval or questioning of the propriety of someone whom HE BELIEVED to be born in Indonesia (therefore not even meeting YOUR rule for being a "natural citizen") running for the office of the U.S. Presidency.
The media doesn't care if he's foreign born or not. If they found out he was, they would cover that up too lest the neanderthals among us make an issue of it!