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To: StPaulRevert
When my Jesus is perverted by a bunch of blasphemous heretics I won’t get off of it ever. I’ve made my mission to expose this deceitful bunch. Now is the perfect time to expose this cult, that is sending souls to hell.

If that's what you feel is your mission in life, fine, I have no argument.

If you feel that NOW is the perfect time to do whatever you feel is appropriate to accomplish that mission, fine, I have no argument.

I do, however, have an argument when you bring religion into politics when one has nothing to do with the other. From my own perspective as a Jew, none of the candidates shares my belief system, so there's frankly no difference between them on this issue - and I'm not looking to make it one, either. Mitt Romney either is, or is not, the best person to be the Republican nominee in 2012. Opinions do vary (I, for instance, do NOT think that he's the best candidate, and I'm doing what I can to defeat him). However, Romney's religion - or any other candidate's religion, for that matter - is utterly irrelevant to the decision about whom to support or oppose right now. I am looking at the records and words of the various candidates and making my decision based on those (relevant) factors. Again, we're not voting for the post of Minister of Morality, we're voting for President.

Please stick to the issue at hand. Religion is a perfectly valid subject to debate (and there are plenty here at FR), but NOT when discussing who is the best candidate for President.

FYI, I strongly suspect that even Romney and his strange (to you) underwear would make a better President than the current guy, who is not Mormon and (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't were strange underwear.

126 posted on 02/16/2012 9:50:31 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Ancesthntr
I do, however, have an argument when you bring religion into politics when one has nothing to do with the other.
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
Washington's Farewell Address

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Utility of knowing the origin of nations in order to understand their social condition and their laws—America the only country in which the starting-point of a great people has been clearly observable—In what respects all who emigrated to British America were similar—In what they differed—Remark applicable to all Europeans who established themselves on the shores of the New World—Colonization of Virginia—Colonization of New England—Original character of the first inhabitants of New England—their arrival— Their first laws—Their social contract—Penal code borrowed from the Hebrew legislation—Religious fervor—Republican spirit—Intimate union of the spirit of religion with the spirit of liberty.
Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Vol.1, p.26
http://vftonline.org/VFTINC/history/De_T.htm

Cordially,

246 posted on 02/18/2012 3:53:20 PM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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