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Who is a liar? You actually believe adultery is patriotism?


11 posted on 02/12/2012 12:03:01 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

>> You actually believe adultery is patriotism?

C’mon, have you ever seen his ex?


14 posted on 02/12/2012 12:05:58 AM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: nickcarraway
I believe adultery is a sin. I believe Newt is a sinner, some would say a bigtime sinner. I also believe he has confessed his sins to God, made restitution in his family, and carried out reconciliation, made no excuses for his wrongdoings, and is a changed man, and a practicing Catholic. In other words, he is a sinner being saved by grace, like a great many of us. He is forgiven. He is a new man in Christ Jesus, and yet, people like you, refuse to let him take one step out of his past, into the new life and personhood promised him by Christ. Why exactly is that?

Newt jesus forgiveness

Newt bootsDuring a recent debate, an ABC News commentator passed a bag of stones to Republicans on stage (in the form of questions about marital infidelity and personal character). Every candidate, except for one,  grabbed a handful of rocks, to throw at the man they considered the sinner amongst them.  In a scene right out of, well, the Bible, Republican candidates - again and again - pelted the sinner, a great sinner, to be sure, with stones; all the while, reassuring the audience: they, the upstanding candidates, were nothing like the sinner.  Each of them, they made it clear, were more fit to the hold the office. Their sins were small, not the large sort the sinner was guilty of;  humans of quality, they.

In another scene, right out of, well, the Bible, Jesus once spoke to those with great confidence in their own goodness: "Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a dishonest tax collector. The proud Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: `I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't sin, I don't commit adultery, I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.'

But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, `O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.' I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God."

This sinner.  Old as the Message is, it is so new and wonderful, if rightly presented, as to awaken astonishment in the weary, imperfect hearts who hear.  When babes in Christ give themselves to the Lord - justified through the Redeemer's sacrifice, brought into the family of God, begotten of the Holy Spirit - it means a great change for these. It means a Miracle.  Old things pass away; all things become new.

Only Now, just like Then – whited walls, the outside-of-the-cup crowd,  invested in the appearance of good conduct and their "core" principles,  make the Precious Savior, Bringer of Peace,  Lifter of Burdens, unapproachable, uninviting, intimidating, to sinners seeking forgiveness, desperate for a second chance.  The Rick Perrys, the Michelle Bachmanns, the Ron Pauls, the Rick Santorums and Mitt Romneys of today's world, their banners of spiritual pride waving high, keep multitudes of  sinners standing afar off, sure they are unworthy to approach the only One who can make them new.

On that stage, that night, there was not one word - not one word - from the political Christians about the miraculous saving work of Christ Jesus, sufficient to change, to make all things new, to transform the worst sinner, even Newt, into a new creature. 

America is full of sinners, who love their country, many of whom would die for it, and according to the purity test of  the republicans on stage that night, they probably couldn’t run for dog catcher.  Steve Deace sees things a little differently: sometimes the greatest sinners, "the most broken people are the ones God does the most tremendous work through." 

No one has walked a mile in Newt's shoes, except for Newt.  No one on that stage knows the crowded corners of Newt's heart.  There is only one thing every believer truly knows about Newt... he is forgiven. 

forgivenNewt lastword


50 posted on 02/12/2012 1:17:56 AM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: nickcarraway
He got involved with his first wife when he was fifteen or sixteen, She (mid twenties)was his Geometry teacher. She is the mother of his two daughters and he won't say anything bad about her. Today she would have been in jail.

Wife no 2 has an FBI file that says she is “mentally unstable”. Seems she tried to sell influence to some Russian among other things. The plea bargain and Newt's paying for her “help” kept her out of prison.

It was during the six year separation from her that Newt met wife no 3. They became friends, then best friends.
She is loving, supportive, and helps bring some of his dreams to fruition. Plus she is adored by his daughters. Would every American be blessed with a spouse that fits her attributes. She is also the person who helped him find his spiritual side.

The Church annulled his first two marriages. He is given communion and receives God's Grace. Guess you're not a Christian.

87 posted on 02/12/2012 4:58:38 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: nickcarraway
Who is a liar? You actually believe adultery is patriotism?

Is that your biggest issue? Can a person not be patriotic because they committed adultry? They can be saved despite it and worse.

There seems to be some sour grapes and it it shows a new side - in the past you sounded much more rational.

92 posted on 02/12/2012 6:07:04 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: nickcarraway; presently no screen name
>>You actually believe adultery is patriotism?<<

You may want to pay attention to what Christ said about the lost sheep that had gone astray and came back. How the prodigal son was treated and how Paul was brought to faith in Christ and repented like Gingrich did. Do you also dismiss what Paul wrote because he persecuted Christians?

93 posted on 02/12/2012 6:32:20 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: nickcarraway

Where did that come from, adultery has nothing to do with patriotism for or against.

I bet you would have refused to vote for Benjamin Franklin as well?

JB


99 posted on 02/12/2012 10:42:48 AM PST by thatjoeguy (MAYDAY! MAYDAY! We are so going in ! !)
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To: nickcarraway
Who is a liar?

What I saw as 'playing the dumb act', I now see is not play acting at all by you. Wipe the pablum puke off your chin.

You actually believe adultery is patriotism?

I actually believe you are a dumb@** troll. Patriotism would be to zot you.

109 posted on 02/12/2012 4:41:36 PM PST by presently no screen name
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