Posted on 02/11/2012 3:10:44 PM PST by ColdOne
In an NBC Dateline interview, one of the 911 operators who took the call from the social worker outside Josh Powell's house, breaks his silence.
In an exclusive interview with NBC's Keith Morrison, David Lovrak, who's been taking heat for his questions when Elizabeth Griffin-Hall called him, says he, like so many others in this case, didn't recognize the kind of man they were dealing with.
"Especially for somebody who has done this for as long as I have, to relisten to the call and hear how clumsy and faltering I sounded," Lovrak said, "It was horrible. This has been a nightmare."
The Pierce County Sheriff's office says the first call came in at 12:08 on Sunday. Five minutes later, at 12:13, information
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
Not to blame the social worker, but she had the power, responsibility and authority to demand immediate emergency status be placed on her call. “I am a county social worker under court order, two boys have been taken from me and I need immediate police backup.”. The children had been taken from her custody, kidnaped if you will and she was no longer in control of them as the court had ordered and she showed very little if any sense of urgency.
Nope.
the same could have been said about an acquaintence of mine who had custody of his daughter and was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with sexually molesting her best friend.........
Should he have been denied custody of the daughter?
The answer is no because ultimately it was discovered that the girl had lied and that the ex-wife had coerced her into making the false charge.........
Since Powell had never been formally charged with any crime, he is entitled to every advantage that the legal system guarantees him.........
I've never met an armchair quarterback yet who has ever been wrong.........
It was almost a “Who’s on First” kind of thing.
This is the link I was originally trying to find, and just now found it again. This has BOTH 911 call transcripts from the social worker (down in the article a little way). The second 911 call was when the house exploded. It was not a whole lot better than the first (maybe a little better, because it was finally AN EMERGENCY):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098876/A-history-violence-Josh-Powells-mother-filed-papers-saying-threatened-butcher-knife-teen.html
The point being, when it comes to messy domestic disputes, errors are inevitable, we just have to choose which one we can live with.
As a small, less intrusive government conservative, I want the bar to be very high before the state can take away someones own child.
Agreed.
Yeah the delays are upsetting. Utah had images on Josh’s computer from awhile ago (years?) of cartoon depictions of incest. They were “available” to the prosecuting attorney prior to the latest trial - but they were not presented to him. Those images I imagine would have had a big say in how the visitations went.
And I know the cops in our town say that when we call 911 and report something they usually are on their way at the very beginning of the call and the operator is talking and getting more information while the cops are on their way.
And I think Graham is a bit like our suburb where the cops aren’t too busy. They even have told my daughters to give them a call if some guy seems “creepy” to them walking home from school or something. They said they’ll swing by and if they see the guy watch for how he reacts to a squad car, etc.
That Josh Powell and his dad—man! They both appear to have been sick puppies! Probably the dad is the beast—and turned his son into a beast, too—from childhood sexual abuse (only my guess).
The world is a sick, dark and dying place.
Naw, someone calling 911 is just wanting to gab a while.
The kids died of smoke inhalation, so they were still alive before the house was consumed, although gravely wounded by their father’s hatchet attack.
When seconds count ...
Having watched both TV specials last night, with special attention to the 911 call, I would fire that operator in an instant and make sure he never again works in a capacity where public safety is at stake.
Something is seriously missing with the guy when he wastes time playing juvenile word games with the caller. He is clearly in over his head in that job, doesn’t know what to ask, how to ask and has no discernment. But, there are many operators like this. Listening to him and reading the transcript just infuriated me.
Of course, the whole story is abysmal. Those poor little boys never had a chance.
Exactly. That dialogue was bizarre.
PS: I did not mean to downplay the fact that Josh Powell is a worse beast than his father—I was only saying that his father likely warped his head from a young age. The end result of what Josh did is much worse, and Josh is fully responsible for his own actions, no matter what his father may have done to him as a child.
...we’re only minutes away...
Yes, La ‘Dita, the whole darned story is hellish. I’m with you on the dispatcher guy. He claims he’s been doing this for “so long,” yet he has no ability to listen—to hear and discern, like you said. Maybe he’ll learn now.
They are just carrying out the evil of the real villains -- the liberal judges who make these kinds of rulings that an obviously unstable parent gets to spend time alone with the kids.
It happened here in Maryland to the children of a pediatrician, whose husband was certifiably mentally ill, yet he got awarded unsupervised custody over her distraught pleadings -- she was threatened with loss of custody if she kept complaining -- and he killed his two little boys in a Baltimore hotel room.
Ohhh. That poor woman. She told him she smelled gasoline. He just kept trying to spell Powell. "Two L's on the end?" What a jackhole.
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