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To: absalom01
Finally, the right question. Why indeed? Was a Taser avaliable? Where was the deputy standing relative to the driver? At what point was he aware that the children were in the car? There’s too much fog, too little facts available bla bla bla..

There is no fog here.

This is not a complex incident. All the players are accounted for. No?

Why would you think this is so complex?

Why not just ask the deputy involved or the teenagers in the vehicle?

Why is there suddenly a different version of events?

OCSD originally stated the deputy feared for his life. Days later, the deputy now feared of the kids in the vehicle?

Hows that work?

Tell me, after about a week, how is it possible the OCSD spokesperson has no idea if the passengers versions of events is or is not consistent with the deputy's version?

How is that possible?

I could not help but notice you evaded most of the questions here.

131 posted on 02/12/2012 4:17:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
There is no fog here.

Well, I wasn't there. And I've stated previously that I have no, zero, nada faith that the media can accurately report anything. That said, being an expert, I'm sure that you know that the IA investigation is going to be asking "how is it that he got back into the car, leaving you no option but deadly force?" The criminal investigation, being undertaken by the DA, not the Sheriff, will be asking if this homicide was in fact a crime, or a legal, if tragic use of force. The deputy's tactics will be dissected as a part of that investigation, too. Maybe a crime occured here. I don't know. But neither do you.

This is not a complex incident. All the players are accounted for. No?

Accounted for? I don't know. Neither do you. How many other deputies were there? Where were they standing? What did they see? What did they hear? Were there any other witnesses? What does the physical evidence show? Why was the Marine ignoring the deputy's orders? That's not very Marine-like behavior, in my experience. Sorry, you're the expert, but it doesn't sound so simple to me. And then there's this: it's a badly kept secret that there are close ties between the military, especially the Marines and LE. All the sergeant had to do was identify himself as active duty, and the stress level would have gone down by an order of magnitude. He didn't. Why?

Why would you think this is so complex?

Because it doesn't make any sense. A car pulls up, at oh-dark thirty, collides with something. I'd be thinking "drunk driver' right about then. Then the driver exits the car, and wanders off into the night. That's really weird. I'd be thinking "drunk, maybe drugs". At some pone the kids are seen in the car; now i'm thinking 'child endangerment'. Finally the Marine returns to the car and gets in (how?) and at this point the deputy has to make a split-second decision, which will be analyzed, dissected, reviewed and second-guessed for a long time, by a lot of people. That's what the word "complex" means.

Why not just ask the deputy involved or the teenagers in the vehicle?

This is rhetorical, right? Is there any doubt in your mind at all that the DA investigator has not been questioning the deputy, the children, any other officers present and that they are, or have, searched for any possible additional witnesses?

Why is there suddenly a different version of events?

OCSD originally stated the deputy feared for his life. Days later, the deputy now feared of the kids in the vehicle?

Hows that work?

Well, this seems to be a big issue for you because you seem to think that those two things are a) mutually contradictory and b) evidence of some sort of conspiratorial cover-up at the OCSD. That strikes me as over the top: an active duty Marine is killed by a deputy, in Orange County, in a department full of retired and reserve Marines. There is no way those guys are going to let that happen: it's just not credible. Did the press office flub the initial press release? Probably. Is is evidence of collusion? Nope.

Tell me, after about a week, how is it possible the OCSD spokesperson has no idea if the passengers versions of events is or is not consistent with the deputy's version? How is that possible?

Look, I answered that above, but I'll answer it again for you since you asked in a civil fashion: There are two investigations underway: a criminal case and an administrative case. The Sheriff has cleared decided that she's not going to release any more information until she believes she knows exactly what happened that night. I'll ask you again: so what? What's the urgency? Why is is so important to go to the media while the DA and IA are working the case?

I could not help but notice you evaded most of the questions here.

Didn't mean to: I just don't agree with you. This caper has a serious WTF factor. It makes no sense at this point in time, unless one is willing to assume facts not in evidence to either exonerate the deputy, or convict him, and his department.

133 posted on 02/12/2012 5:37:40 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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