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To: MamaTexan
Madison WROTE the Constitution.
In a court case, long after ratification, Madison lamented that the States, and Congress, had not yet defined issues of citizenship.
You really are absurd.
Was the AUTHOR of the Constitution “UNCONSTITUTIONAL”???

That the founders were familiar with a French guy, named Vattel, does not mean that all of his views were controlling on every issue. In fact, the Colonies and the original 13 States followed ENGLISH COMMON LAW (not French law) and English Common Law supports MY position.

Beyond that point, no Supreme Court decision, based on Common Law, carries Constitutional weight when new, legislated law is at issue.

Simple legal logic.

I have read parts of the Koran (much of it was posed on Free Republic) -— that does not make me Muslim.

The Founders were familiar with Vattel, but they incorporated ENGLISH COMMON LAW which is entirely different from the Frenchman's ideas.

229 posted on 02/07/2012 8:34:01 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Madison lamented that the States, and Congress, had not yet defined issues of citizenship.

True. The issues of citizenship that fell within the authority of Congress...nothing more. Making a 'uniform rule of naturalization' is NOT the same thing as determining every aspect of every type of citizenship

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That the founders were familiar with a French guy, named Vattel, does not mean that all of his views were controlling on every issue.

Having given you this general idea and description of the law of nations; need I expatiate on its dignity and importance? The law of nations is the law of sovereigns. In free states, such as ours, the sovereign or supreme power resides in the people. In free states, therefore, such as ours, the law of nations is the law of the people. Let us again beware of being misled by an ambiguity, sometimes, such is the structure of language, unavoidable. When I say that, in free states, the law of nations is the law of the people; I mean not that it is a law made by the people, or by virtue of their delegated authority; as, in free states, all municipal laws are. But when I say that, in free states, the law of nations is the law of the people; I mean that, as the law of nature, in other words, as the will of nature's God, it is indispensably binding upon the people, in whom the sovereign power resides; and who are, consequently, under the most sacred obligations to exercise that power, or to delegate it to such as will exercise it, in a manner agreeable to those rules and maxims, which the law of nature prescribes to every state, for the happiness of each, and for the happiness of all.
Of the Law of Nations, James Wilson, Lectures on Law

.... and certainty, an amendatory article was proposed, adopted, and ratified; whereby it is expressly declared, that, “the powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” This article is, indeed, nothing more than an express recognition of the law of nations; for Vattel informs us, “that several sovereign, and independent states may unite themselves together by a perpetual confederacy, without each in particular ceasing to be a perfect state. They will form together a federal republic: the deliberations in common will offer no violence to the sovereignty of each member, though they may in certain respects put some constraint on the exercise of it, in virtue of voluntary engagements.
View of the Constitution of the United States George Tucker

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The Founders were familiar with Vattel, but they incorporated ENGLISH COMMON LAW which is entirely different from the Frenchman's ideas.

You might consider reading this part of Tucker;

Of the Unwritten, or Common Law of England; And Its Introduction into, and Authority Within the United American States

Fifthly. … That neither the articles of confederation and perpetual union, nor, the present constitution of the United States, ever did, or do, authorize the federal government, or any department thereof, to declare the common law or statutes of England, or of any other nation, to be the law of the land in the United States, generally, as one nation; nor to legislate upon, or exercise jurisdiction in, any case of municipal law, not delegated to the United States by the constitution.
View of the Constitution of the United States

[all emphasis mine]

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This merry-go-round has been loads of fun.

Shall we go 'round again?

240 posted on 02/07/2012 9:22:10 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Kansas58; sourcery
The Founders were familiar with Vattel, but they incorporated ENGLISH COMMON LAW which is entirely different from the Frenchman's ideas.

What a moron. This is what James Madison said about this.

The common law is nothing more than the unwritten law, and is left by all the constitutions [of the several States] equally liable to legislative alterations. I am not sure that any notice is particularly taken of it in the Constitutions of the States. If there is, nothing more is provided than a general declaration that it shall continue along with other branches of law to be in force till legally changed. The Constitution of Virga. [Virginia] drawn up by Col Mason himself, is absolutely silent on the subject. An ordinance passed during the same Session, declared the Common law as heretofore & all Statutes of prior date to the 4 of James I. to be still the law of the land, merely to obviate pretexts that the separation from G. Britain threw us into a State of nature, and abolished all civil rights and Obligations. Since the Revolution every State has made great inroads & with great propriety in many instances on this monarchical code. The "revisal of the laws" by a Committee of wch. Col. Mason was a member, though not an acting one, abounds with such innovations. The abolition of the right of primogeniture, which I am sure Col. Mason does not disapprove, falls under this head. What could the Convention have done? If they had in general terms declared the Common law to be in force, they would have broken in upon the legal Code of every State in the most material points: they wd. have done more, they would have brought over from G.B. a thousand heterogeneous & antirepublican doctrines, and even the ecclesiastical Hierarchy itself, for that is a part of the Common law. If they had undertaken a discrimination, they must have formed a digest of laws, instead of a Constitution.

Since you have a comprehension problem, I will save you the time of reading it and tell you what it says in words small enough for you to comprehend. What the Father of the Constitution said was:

You're Wrong!

Hat tip to sourcery for posting the quote where I could find it easily.

289 posted on 02/07/2012 12:56:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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