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To: Drew68
Anyone running a count on how many “Judge (insert name here) is a cowardly traitor” threads there are following yet another birther courtroom defeat?

No exact count, but I think there were several for Judge Clay Land, Judge David O. Carter, and Judge Royce C. Lamberth.

The fascinating thing to me is the Lucy and the football aspect. It seems every freeper lawyer who comments on this tells the NBC'ers the same thing - born in the US (usual diplomatic exceptions) has been held by the courts to mean natural born, and no court will find otherwise now just because some people want a shortcut to the hard work wining the 2012 election. Why they think a judge will find a different outcome this time is beyond me. And it just makes people look like the tin foil hat brigade to accuse every judge of treason for a judgment that was completely predictable given the plaintiffs entered the Hawaii COLB into evidence and stipulated 0bama was born in Hawaii.

13 posted on 02/06/2012 4:54:37 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker
It seems every freeper lawyer who comments on this tells the NBC'ers the same thing - born in the US (usual diplomatic exceptions) has been held by the courts to mean natural born, and no court will find otherwise now just because some people want a shortcut to the hard work wining the 2012 election. Why they think a judge will find a different outcome this time is beyond me. And it just makes people look like the tin foil hat brigade to accuse every judge of treason for a judgment that was completely predictable given the plaintiffs entered the Hawaii COLB into evidence and stipulated 0bama was born in Hawaii.

I have been saying that on countless eligibility threads since they first started cropping up on FR in late 2008-early 2009, and all it gets me is accusations of being an "Obot." No, I don't like him, and I'm not going to vote for him, but if he was born in Hawai'i, then it is settled law that he is a Natural Born Citizen.

25 posted on 02/06/2012 5:27:24 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: sometime lurker
The fascinating thing to me is the Lucy and the football aspect. It seems every freeper lawyer who comments on this tells the NBC'ers the same thing - born in the US (usual diplomatic exceptions) has been held by the courts to mean natural born, and no court will find otherwise

You really think that any court has even considered the facts? Lawyers are less than pond scum.

46 posted on 02/06/2012 5:51:56 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Previous tag line reactivated))
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To: sometime lurker
The fascinating thing to me is the Lucy and the football aspect. It seems every freeper lawyer who comments on this tells the NBC'ers the same thing - born in the US (usual diplomatic exceptions) has been held by the courts to mean natural born, and no court will find otherwise now just because some people want a shortcut to the hard work wining the 2012 election. Why they think a judge will find a different outcome this time is beyond me. And it just makes people look like the tin foil hat brigade to accuse every judge of treason for a judgment that was completely predictable given the plaintiffs entered the Hawaii COLB into evidence and stipulated 0bama was born in Hawaii.

There is reality, and there is the court's opinion of reality. Sometimes they coincide, and often they do not. The Court's opinion clashed with reality in the case of Roe v Wade, Kelo v New London, and Lawrence v Texas. (et al)

That it should clash with reality in the case of eligibility challenges to the Fuhrer is hardly surprising, because the court system is an extremely slow learner. It is like a dull witted child that relies too heavily on what it has heard others say.

Trying to get the courts up to speed is difficult, because they already think they know everything. The one type of person that you cannot educate is a "Know it all", and that is an apt description of our Legal system. As Reagan said:

The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it is just that they know so much that isn't so.

Indeed, another apt description of the courts.

208 posted on 02/07/2012 7:33:29 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: sometime lurker

“...the plaintiffs entered the Hawaii COLB into evidence and stipulated 0bama was born in Hawaii. “ - SL

This was *not* the case in Hatfield’s case. There were 3 separate cases, and in his case *no* birth documents were entered into evidence for BHO II. Hatfield used the divorce documents to show BHO was baby’s daddy, and showed that BHO was never a US citizen, or permanent US resident.

Were you paying attention? How could you be so certain, and so wrong at the same time?


427 posted on 02/08/2012 11:06:17 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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