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To: Smokin' Joe
I was thinking more about the Vatican, but the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops will do.

Paragraph 508 on Disarmament merely states "arms," which I take to mean all arms and not some. I also quoted Paragraph 510, which discussed one particular issue.

However, see the following article: http://www.uscatholic.org/news/2011/01/gun-control-church-firmly-quietly-opposes-firearms-civilians

From this article:

The most direct statement comes in the bishops' "Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice" from November 2000.

"As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms and make them safer -- especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner -- and we reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns."

That's followed by a footnote that states: "However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions -- i.e. police officers, military use -- handguns should be eliminated from our society."

I find it hard to misunderstand the meaning of "handguns should be eliminated from our society." As I said, I oppose my own bishops on this issue, so I'm not picking on RCs. I'm just saying that if your church pushes European Socialism and gun control and then expects a different cultural outcome in America than they got in Europe, they're crazy.

69 posted on 02/01/2012 3:10:32 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cizinec
Okay, You apparently have more time to spend reading the writings of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops' stuff than I do. Let me put it this way. I will retain my arms, to defend the defenseless, especially the babies Obama wants to have the Catholic Church pay to abort.

How's that? If that makes me a bad Catholic, I'll stand in line to be excommunicated behind all the ones who vote for abortion and those who support the practice. I doubt I'd live long enough to be kicked out.

But in this matter of religion, in the steadfast position of the Catholic Church that Abortion is Wrong, I support them, and the Right to not be forced by government to pay for murder.

What say you on that topic?

71 posted on 02/01/2012 3:32:54 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: cizinec
I just looked up arms, firearms, and guns in the Catechism and only saw arms mentioned in the context of arms production and trafficking.

Saw no mention of firearms owned for self-protection from criminals or criminal governments.

And I am not the best educated Catholic, but I have always thought that if it is not in the Catechism, or pronounced by the Pope ex cathedra, it's just some guy in a robe's opinion.

72 posted on 02/01/2012 3:52:00 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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