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To: PIF
Well, I missed that denunciation.

I grew up in a predominantly Catholic area where the Priest would annually bless the fleet, (if not a Bishop), and I have held a commercial fishing license.

But if you would show me where fishing is mentioned in the Constitution and /or Bill of Rights, I'd be grateful, 'cause I missed that, too.

As for Rights being taken away, No. A right can never be taken away, it continues to exist even if you don't practice it, but you might have to fight for the ability to do so after you have forsaken it, or fight against a usurpation of that right.

But all in all, this isn't about fishing, it's a power struggle, between the secular government and the Church.

Ask me to choose between God and the Government, and the Government loses every time. I'll only be here a short while, and there forever after. (Now you see why the war on religion).

Requiring Catholic Hospitals to provide abortion services won't hunt, and your next trip to an ER may be longer as a result, depending on where you live.

67 posted on 02/01/2012 2:23:16 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Ask me to choose between God and the Government, and the Government loses every time.

Bingo!

Hey, we are discussing a church.

70 posted on 02/01/2012 3:14:00 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Smokin' Joe
Dear Joe.
The time of the many denunciations was the mid 70s in Western Washington state, and if you missed it, that was because you either were not alive then, or did not follow the national news at the time.

East Coast commercial fishermen live under a Federally determined regime. They ceded their rights a long time ago. A fact that many despise today. They are all but Federal pets. But that's another story.

Fishing on the West Coast was a State regime up until it was taken over forcefully in the 80s. You haven't lived until you have stared down a 19yr old on the bow of a 50’ Coast Guard cutter - watching him sweat and shake as he mans the locked and loaded .50 cal pointed at you and your boat. You for the crime of fishing. For which some were sent to Federal prison. And another had the back of his head blown off ...

Freedom is mentioned a few times in the Constitution, I believe. We fought, literally. We lost. You lost. We paid and they collected. You paid, and now it is time to collect yours. And you are upset.

We were told we were the wrong race, now you are in the process of being told you hold the wrong religion. But, because you and too many other refuse to understand what has happened to others in the recent past, you will suffer the consequences.

Again you seem to be stuck. Rights are only as good as the Court's interpretation of them. Those rights only last until the Court decides otherwise, and practicing them becomes a felony with fines and prison time guaranteed.

When fighting means fighting the US Marshals, the US Coast Guard, the FBI, the media, the Church, and others. When the entire might and wealth of the Federal government is against your livelihood, you personally, your family, and your friends. When the people in the town you live in scowl and turn their backs on you, muttering nasty comments under their breath. While your wife files for divorce, taking the house and the kids ...

Just because you believed you lived in a free country and fought for it ... did't mean it was true.

Dolan is entering his time of testing, We'll see how well he holds up or not. He did well locally, but on a national scene, under the pressures to come - is unknown.

And I held many different commercial fishing permits and licenses for 35 years. Fished almost every fishery from WA to AK. Wrote statistical TAC papers which were influential in local and international negotiations, as well as holding office for decades in the most influential and powerful fishing association in Washington state.

Pray for Dolan. He's your hope.

73 posted on 02/02/2012 5:03:52 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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