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To: Mr Rogers

You are an annoying fellow, and here you are again polluting the thread with that horrible mess you always post. Nobody bothers to read it.


31 posted on 01/31/2012 7:48:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Nobody bothers to read it.

I have in the past. This time, I just skimmed it to see whether or not he had anything new to say. He didn't as far as I could tell.

Worse, it's clear his post was not a specific response to my essay, and that it was written without reference to it.

However, the core of his argument is his interpretation of the interpretation of the 14th Amendment given in Wong Kim Ark, which my essay utterly demolishes (I crafted that text based in part of the claims made by Mr. Rogers, after all.) And that's why I challenged him with the following:

The 14th Amendment's citizenship clause defines both a) those born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction, and b) those naturalized in the US and subject to its jurisdiction, to be citizens of the US, and does so using a single sentence with a single phrase that is the subject of the sentence and a single phrase that is its predicate. The subject phrase is of the form "<A> and <B>", and the predicate phrase is "are citizens of the United States." That single predicate phrase, "are citizens of the United States," must intend to apply that exact same meaning of the word citizens to both noun phrases in the conjunctive phrase that is the subject of the sentence, since it's but one predicate phrase applied to but the one conjunctival phrase that is the subject of the sentence. Therefore, the semantics of the word citizens in the 14th Amendment must encompass both those born in the US (and subject to its jurisdiction) and those naturalized in the US and subject to its jurisdiction. That is flat-out impossible unless the intended semantics of the term citizen in the 14th Amendment is that of general citizenship, and is not intended to signify any other, more specialized meaning.

That's not in my essay. I'm saving certain points for later. That one I was specifically saving for Mr. Rogers :-) I have more....

34 posted on 01/31/2012 8:34:48 PM PST by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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