The problem with Mitt is not where he goes on Sunday mornings, it's what he thinks and does the rest of the week. I hope that other conservatives will focus on Mitt's record rather than his faith and reject him based on the valid objections to his support for a massive government intrusion into our lives rather than based on a peripheral issue. Personally, I wish FR would delete the "Mormon" threads (they don't make us look good), although the fact that they get so little support reassures me.
Learn about mormonISM.
Romney is who he is BECAUSE of mormonISM, not in spite of it.
For Romney to be elected president would legitimize mormonISM, to the SLC lds he would be a fulfillment of their prophecies, that only a saint (lds) can restore the country.
Learn about mormonISM.
You better be scared of how the Dems will use Romney’s wacko religion to make him look like a fool in the general election.
Not to mention the historical racism of the Mormon church.
The right is much more religious than the left. The left is more accepting of any “belief system” and scornful of most religion unless it suits their purpose.
Just wait till Mitt’s mormon practices are put in the spotlight. Late night won’t even need writers, because the material will write itself.
I can’t believe the GOP can be this stupid, but money talks.
I maintain Mitt's Mormon beliefs are a critical election issue and I raise following arguments in support of this position:
It is not right to say doctrine doesn't matter at all. Take Islam, for instance. It would be dangerously naive to assume, as American civil religion does, that all religions are pretty much the same. It's true that most religions share core ethical teachings, but orthodox Islam also teaches unambiguously that there is to be no separation of religion and state, that non-Muslims are to live subservient under law to Muslims, and in some sects that Allah commands a jihad or "holy war" be waged against non-Muslim "infidels". To the extent that a Muslim wishes to preside over our pluralist liberal democracy, he will have had to break radically from his faith's fundamentals.
Liberals who insist that religion has no place at all in American politics have to account for the Christian roots of many social reforms. Consider for example the abolitionism and the civil rights movement. When faced with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and other black clergymen explicitly appealing to Christian scripture against Jim Crow, Southern segregationists groused that religion had no business in politics. You can't praise religion's role in political discourse only when it advances causes of which you approve or is practiced by constituencies blacks, say, that vote Democratic.
If God doesn't exist, then by what standard do we decide right from wrong? If a society recognizes no independent, transcendent guardian of the moral order, will it not, over time, lose its self-discipline and decline into barbarism? The eminent sociologist Philip Rieff, who was not a believer, said that man would either live in fear of God or would be condemned to live in fear of the evil in himself.
Mitt, himself, has placed his Mormon faith under scrutiny. In his famous speech on Mormonism, Mitt said that a person should not be rejected . . . because of his faith. His supporters say it is akin to rejecting a Barack Obama because he is black. But Obama was born black; Romney is a Mormon because he accepts the beliefs of the Mormon faith. This permits us, therefore, to make inferences about his judgment and character, good or bad.
Mitt has promised to fully obey Mormon teachings without hesitation and without question.
In his February 26, 1980 speech at BYU titled Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet, LDS President Ezra Taft Benson maintained the Mormon Church President spoke with inerrant authority on "any matter, temporal or spiritual " and was "not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time."Mitt either intended to honor his promises to follow another man's instructions, or he lied. In the case of the former, we are entitled to know where these directives lead, and in the alternative, we should be concerned about Mitt's honesty.As a Temple Mormon, Mormon Bishop and Stake President, Mitt has sworn among other things, he recognizes the President of the LDS Church as a "prophet, seer and revelator," and will "obey the rules, laws, and commandments of the gospel" as proclaimed by Mormon Prophets.
Mitt made these solemn vows with the understanding they effect "time and all eternity."
For these reasons, among others, I assert Mitt’s beliefs are indeed a legitimate issue for determining his qualifications for elected public office.
First, the Mormon threads get a good deal of support. Second, they have done a lot to edcuate freepers on the dangers and real teaching of Mormonism. Third, you cannot separate Romney from his religion because he is a liberal BECAUSE of his religion not in spite of it and Fourth, I will not support any religion (or give it a pass) that teaches blasphemy and has its devout members wear an apron signifying Lucifers power and priesthoods (yes, I can source that). Nor will I be party to anything that promotes Mormonism (as a Mormon president would do) since they not only lie to the public about what they believe, they lie to their own members about LDS history.
IT's generally not a good idea to be ignorant of or ignore what a candidates religion is when it dimetrically opposes the God our country was founded on. They did the same thing with Obama and look what we got!
Romney's "Position" within his religion very much has to do with this country and how he will handle this Presidency if he wins. He's a liar so you won't get straight answers from him on what he believes....but I assure you it isn't anything it's promoted as.
People do need to consider this "cult" and it's political agenda for this country, because Romney is the front man to make it happen for those higher in their heirarchy who are pulling his strings.
I am LDS. I have been for 41 years. Jesus Christ is my personal Savior. He died for me and all of us and our sins on condition that we accept Him as our Savior and follow Him. You can read my testimony of Christ, online at my site. Jesus is my Savior and my Judge and I am so grateful for it...and I am not lieing, and have not been "taught" by my faith to ;ie or decieve in the least...but to follow the Savior of the world...and I am LDS.
I too oppose Mitt Romney because of his liberal stances in the past and because of his institution of RomneyCare...though he was in a very liberal state where 85% of the legislature was dems and they would probably have made what they got even worse if he had not been there. But as it is, it is too much government, even at the state level, and he stands by it in any case...and Santorum is right...Romney will have a much more difficult time differentiating himslf from Obama on this pivotal issue...though his appeal to the 10th is at least an effort.
The talk on this thread that Mormons lie to the world about what they believe...that all 12 million of us have been instructed to, taught to decieve, or fooled, and that Mitt is the anti-Christ and that Mormonism is akin to and like fundamental Islam is rediculous, insulting and, IMHO, almost bigotted driven histeria.
I have been on this forum for almost 14 years. I have worked hard against the liberals, progressives, RINOs, MSM and those who have attacked our nations foundational principles, religious freedom and particularly all of our Christian faith. Read mky article, America at the Crossroads of History.
Many here know me personally, have met me, been to my home or I to theirs, and have worked shoulder to shoulder with me in variouis endeavors...at Liberty Rock in Jarbidge, NV, in the Klamath Basin water crisis in Klamath Falls, OR, against the perverted and altered flag raising monument the liberals tried to raise in New York City after 911, at the March for Liberty in Washington DC, against the dems when they were trying to steal the election from Bush when a bunch of us got together in many places around the country...I was at the State Capitol in Austin, TX, etc., etc.. They have prayed with me and heard me ernestly pray to God in the name of Jesus Christ for our nation and its constitution.
There are few voting block of people who vote more consistantly conservative, more pro-family, more pro-constituion...and whose lives reflect those things than the millions of LDS members in this nation.
That FR of all places would be viewed as a haven for those who would castigate, call liars, demean, and marginalize such a group of people is beyond me and astounding.
Do we have our bad apples in our church and faith? Yes, of course...no large group numbering in the millions could not. Harry Reid is a clear reference...somce of the things Ronmney has done too...but he is nothing like Obama or Reid, not even close by any objective measure, despite all of our misgivings and desire to have a much more conservative nominee.
I wanted Sarah to run and would have supported her whole heartidly. I was then for Cain. Now I am split between Santorum and Newt...though neither of them is perfect either. Newt's infedelity on multiple occassions bothers me, but I take him at his word that he has repented and repudiated that behavior. I would like to hear him repudiate his association with and praise for Alvin Toffler...I hope someone will ask him about that.
Either of those two would be better than Romeny. However, if it comes down to it, and I hope we conservatives can come together and stop it from becoming necessary, but should Romney somehow win the nomination, I will vote for him against Obama.
Obama is an abject marxist and proud of it and doing all he can to destroy the country. I never thought I would see so much damage done in 3-4 years...even after Carter. Another 4 years and we may be over the edge and in abbsolute free-fall.
So I will vote against Obama and do all I can to defeat him.
Again, thank you for your remarks.
I expect there will be significant incoming to me as a result of this...but I cannot let such statements about my faith, my family, and so many of my friends, many of whom have served and sacrificed so much for this nation be villafied without saying something, and without saying thank you to someone who stands against such a tide.
What Romney the bishop, the ‘high priest’ thinks is mormonISM.
Romney is not a conservative, he is a liberal.
Romney is a liberal because of his mormonISM not in spite of it.
I just voted for Newt here.
But if it comes down to Romney vs Hussein I will run to the polls to vote for Mormon Romney. Mormonism is wacky but I’ll take Mitt and his Mormon mafia in charge any day of the week over Obama and his commie/Muslim mafia
If it comes down to those two competing mafias... Then it’s Romney all the way. I am so sickened by Hussein the Kenyan. Anything is better than his lies. I prefer Mitt Romney’s lies