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To: MMaschin
Guess what - that's right - there are statutes covering all the scenarios above - except one! The last one!

14th Amendment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Oh, and putting religious issues aside, all laws are manmade.

I will be convinced when the Supreme Court agrees with you and codifies your opinion. Until then we effectively have only persons who are citizens at birth and those persons who are aliens at birth and at some point after naturalize.

184 posted on 01/27/2012 11:54:23 AM PST by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: douginthearmy
14th Amendment: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Oh, and putting religious issues aside, all laws are manmade.
I will be convinced when the Supreme Court agrees with you and codifies your opinion. Until then we effectively have only persons who are citizens at birth and those persons who are aliens at birth and at some point after naturalize.


WHOOO HOOO! You're proving my case for me!

That is EXACTLY what the Minor v Happersett case is about!!!!

In Minor, Minor argued that she was a 14th Amendment citizen (just like you!). The Supreme Court of the United States said you are both wrong! Because she was already what the court construed as a Constitutional 'natural born citizen'!

Codified would be an act of the legislature - but the Supreme Court has construed the meaning of 'natural born citizen' as exactly that which I posted earlier - born in the country of two citizen parents.
195 posted on 01/27/2012 12:23:47 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: douginthearmy
14th Amendment: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I guess you missed the bolded part?

Oh, and putting religious issues aside, all laws are manmade.

Not the laws of physics and biology. Speaking of which, it does indeed matter who is the father and what characteristics he possesses. If your theory were correct, there would not be an exception for Slaves, Indians and Diplomats.

I will be convinced when the Supreme Court agrees with you and codifies your opinion. Until then we effectively have only persons who are citizens at birth and those persons who are aliens at birth and at some point after naturalize.

I feel so sorry for you that you must have someone else tell you what your opinion is. Most of us here can think for ourselves and don't need a brain transfusion to know what we think. We can do our own research and come to our own conclusions.

I know that the Supreme court is WRONG on Roe v Wade, and they are also WRONG on Kelo v New London. They are also WRONG on Wong Kim Ark. It must be a comfort to you to not have to worry that the court ever gets anything wrong, but those of us who have a better understanding of the real world can afford no such fantasy.

Again, sorry for your condition.

204 posted on 01/27/2012 12:58:07 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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