Posted on 01/24/2012 11:43:38 AM PST by Reagan69
Just as long as John Bolton is Secretary of State.
Bing-damn-go! Though I tend to think 4 years as SOD then VP then POTUS!
I’m already all in for Newt, but if he picks West as his running mate, the enthusiasm in the Tea Party for the ticket is gonna go through the freaking roof.
West just might pull a few percentage points in from black voters, as well. That might be all it takes for some of the more disillusioned (and better informed) in that community to make the leap.
That would work....Sarah Sec of Energy?????
SOmeone the other day suggested SHeriff Joe for Head of Homeland Security.......Just about anyone from Arizona except MC would understand the problem
If that’s the top of the ticket, will you run for office?
You know, whenever I see a broad generality like that being stated as fact, my radar starts pinging.
More often than not, the person making such a sweeping statement is communicating their own personal bias, or is presenting what turns out to be the opinion of two or three people they know.
I think the South Carolina primary results, and the most recent national polling paint quite a different picture of the public's perception of Newt Gingrich.
Bolton just endorsed Mittens...
I'd have to think long and hard on that. Lots of personal and family issues would have to be reconciled before I'd do it.
Thanks for thinking of me, though :-)
Maybe, but read back over what I was responding to and see if that was any more accurate. The "old white guy" explanation comes closer to the mark than the "they hate America" one. But you can't assume that the results of the SC Republican primary indicate how independent voters in other states will react. If that were the case, McCain (and Dole) would have been elected President.
Part of what I said was based on people I know, part on how many people form their view of the world based on what television comedians tell them, and how those television comedians treated McCain and Dole. To think they'd treat Gingrich much better would just be dreaming. He won't be portrayed as an old duffer, though. There's going to be more edge to the jokes this time.
Part of what I said is based on what many (most?) of us thought about Gingrich when he first started running: that he was in it to promote his book and keep his speaker fees high, that he wasn't serious. If you've been convinced by him, fine, but it's not going to be easy for other people to overcome first impressions.
Another plus to a Gingrich/West ticket is that West will keep Newt on the Conservative straight and narrow. I doubt he’d let Newt “reach across the aisle” too often. I like!
Again, you sound vague and over-generalizing. I'm not making assumptions here - you are.
I based my last comment on quantifiable and documented results. You're telling me that I can't trust those results to form an opinion, and that because McCain and Dole both lost their races for president, that somehow makes the SC results meaningless.
First of all, I don't think anyone's ever made the claim that the winner of the SC Republican primary is a shoe-in to win the general election. Past results merely point to the fact that whoever wins that contest is very likely to win the Republican nomination.
Second; I countered your earlier generality about Gingrich by pointing to the national polling data, which clearly shows that likely Republican voters favor Gingrich (the fat, old, white, rich guy) over the other candidates.
Now my opinion is, most center-right voters aren't going to give a hill of beans about Gingrich's weight, his hair color, his age, or his bank account, come November. They're clearly looking for a bare-knuckled, patriotic fighter to take Obama down, and to roll back his Marxist agenda. The country is teetering on the edge of a precipice, and right now, he looks like the person most willing, able, and ready, to pull us back.
Look back at the post I was responding to, or indeed, at the article's title.
What's at issue wasn't whether likely Republican voters would favor Gingrich.
It's whether Gingrich was the messenger best suited to communicate conservative values to the Black community.
I said no. He is articulating a conservative message now, but he's not likely to win over many African-American voters. Do you disagree? If so, why?
0dumb0sh_t is such an ultra sensitive narcissistic commie pig, that he will not be able to restain him and will have meltdowns even at his own rallies, as he tries to stem the tide of Gingrich & West, just pummeling the sh_t out of him. I hope & pray that Gingrich & West will stay true to conservative values and not let up for one second on 0dumb0sh_t!
0dumb0sh_t is such an ultra sensitive narcissistic commie pig, that he will not be able to restain himself and will have meltdowns even at his own rallies, as he tries to stem the tide of Gingrich & West, just pummeling the sh_t out of him. I hope & pray that Gingrich & West will stay true to conservative values and not let up for one second on 0dumb0sh_t!
I said no. He is articulating a conservative message now, but he's not likely to win over many African-American voters. Do you disagree? If so, why?
Well, I don't know that anyone was making an issue over West's statement, but as long as you want to steer back toward the topic at hand, I'm all for it.
As long as we're talking about the four Republican candidates, I agree with West's assessment. As a black ex-Democrat, I think I have a good idea of which of those men the black community would best respond to.
I say Newt, because he can speak to our Founding Principles and our unique history better than anyone else in the race. Personality-wise, I think he's also got the edge. He's got a lot of experience with settling in, in front of an audience, and expounding at length on such topics. He was a history teacher, after all.
For what it's worth, I think it would be interesting to see each of the four candidates at least make a stab at a direct outreach to the black community. My money would be on Newt to make the best connection.
It's definitely time for someone on the right to begin making the case to the black community, that they've been taken for granted by the Democrats for far too long, and that their interests are NOT being served by the bankrupt ideas and policies of the left.
But I don't see Gingrich cutting very deeply into the Black vote, at least in the cities. Democrats have too much of an advantage there, and even people who respect the message may not find Newt the most inspiring spokesman for it.
I could be wrong, of course. I thought highly of Newt 15 years ago. And not so highly since then. Maybe he'll win me over again -- and win support from some unexpected places. So far, though, I haven't seen it.
I once hugged Allen West at a Tea Party Rally.
It was 105 in the shade, so it was a real sweaty hug.
I sure hope they don’t hold THAT against him! LOL.
I can see the headlines now......
WEST HUGS BASS-PLAYING, FREEPING, BIKER BABE ON THE CORNER OF BROWARD AND 3RD!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE??????????
Well, how much of the black vote Newt gets is a different topic. We were talking about who's best suited among the candidates to take the conservative message to the black community.
It's a foregone conclusion that the right has much work to do, to bring a significant percentage of blacks back to the party of Lincoln.
So, you don't think Newt would be the most inspiring spokesman to take the conservative message to blacks. Ok. Who among the four candidates would?
Newt as preacher leaves me a little cold. It's hard to think he'd have much success with people who are less favorably inclined to hear him than I am.
A lot depends on the part of the country you live in, though. Where West lives it's more likely that Newt will get a favorable hearing among Black and White voters than in some other parts of the country.
But let me ask you a question. When this campaign started how convincing a moral preacher do you think Newt made? I'm not talking about the message, but about Newt as moral messenger.
That Reagan guy was a two bit hack actor from Hollywood, who was divorced, an ex-union guy, AND an ex-Democrat! With a background like that, who in their right mind would listen to him try to preach about conservative principles???
The guy has skeletons in his closet! No sale - he's not credible!
See how that sounds?
All men have things in their past for which they can be censured by their fellows. Newt is no different.
The question is - does he have a set of solid core beliefs to fall back on when he's erred as a man? Do those core values help guide his trajectory in life, and in his decision making? Do those core values align with those espoused and championed by the Framers?
I feel comfortable answering those questions in the affirmative.
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