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To: Seizethecarp

Because his birth documents prove he didn’t have two parents who were citizens. he isn’t an NBC because his father was not only an alien and a transient, but he was never even domiciled here (which gives special legal status as an American NATIONAL, though not a citizen unless he went through the Naturalization process). Oblidiot doesn’t want to turn over his red herring.

As long as people are talking about the stupid birth certificate they aren’t talking about Minor v. Happersett 1875 which is the SCOTUS case which states clearly that Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen through its clear and concise definition of Natural Born Citizen. Minor is STILL the law of the land. Thank goodness that one of the three lawyers with cases in this hearing KNOWS this and cites Minor. The ONLY way the Judge could ignore THAT is if he decides to overturn Minor, which would get the case to SCOTUS pretty quick.


67 posted on 01/19/2012 11:24:13 AM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Danae; LucyT; Spaulding; Kenny Bunk; Red Steel; edge919; butterdezillion
“As long as people are talking about the stupid birth certificate they aren’t talking about Minor v. Happersett 1875 which is the SCOTUS case which states clearly that Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen through its clear and concise definition of Natural Born Citizen.”

The two birth certifications from HI (long and short) appear to be forged and Obama is actively evading placing either of them into evidence in any court...displaying consciousness by him and his legal team that they are flawed in some critical way related to eligibility.

Therefore the claim by Leo Donofrio and others that Obama is not NBC “assumes facts not in evidence” and therefore I “object.”

In other words, there is no evidence submitted to court that Obama’s father is BHO Sr. so no constitutional assessment of Obama’s NBC status can be made by a court...yet!

Even if there were a forensically authenticated 1961 HI birth certificate showing BHO Sr to be the name of Barry's father on his USA BC, this would not bind the UK under the 1948 BNA to recognize Barry as a UK subject if BHO Sr was committing bigamy.

Ask yourself whether this current SCOTUS would strip Obama of his presidency if at the end of all submission of evidence BHO Sr was proved to be a bigamist and the UK declined to declare Barry to have been a UK subject at birth. I say that would not happen. I do not believe that this SCOTUS would apply Minor v. Happersett to Barry if Barry was not a dual citizen at birth (not the legal child of an alien) and only had his US citizen from his mother with her unitary citizenship at his birth.

The existence of a divorce document (which I will stipulate) does not PROVE the existence of a marriage. It only implies the existence of that marriage. And, of course, if the marriage that preceded the divorces was bigamous, then the marriage was a “nullity” or never existed...meaning that Barry's UK citizenship at birth never existed.

I don't know what the evidence will ultimately show, but I am trying to get ahead of the game to the defenses that Obama’s lawyers will resort to if he is backed into a corner on his NBC status.

Obama’s father has already been denounced in a best-seller as a sexual predator and bigamist so Obama has nothing to lose by now claiming “I had no idea that my birth wasn't really governed by the 1948 BNA and that I wasn't a UK subject at birth. Silly me. I guess that makes me a US citizen at birth in HI by virtue of my single mother's US citizenship under long-standing international law.”

If Barry resorts to denouncing his father as a bigamist, that would make the “birther” issue of where he was born (Kenya?) potentially the ultimate decider of Barry's eligibility, NOT his NBC status.

So while I am very encouraged by the fact that Barry is being backed into a corner on the NBC issue in GA next week, Barry has more cards to play on that issue. At the same time, if Barry's pdf LFBC is forged, some fools in HI will have to be persuaded to commit federal felonies to certify that image for submission under the Federal Rules of Evidence. All of Barry's legal behavior to date indicates that there is no such HI BC and that the pdf is forged, so IMO proving Barry's birth in HI will be what brings him down and NOT the NBC issue.

75 posted on 01/19/2012 12:13:47 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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