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To: G Larry

Matt 16:18-19, “And I say to you, you are Peter (petros), and upon this rock (petra) I will build my church,

http://biblos.com/matthew/16-18.htm

Petros - 4074 Petros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Petros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /petra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

“4074 (Petros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (petra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Petros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (petra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

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petra - 4073 petra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Petros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (petra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

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A weakness of English is that both words are translated as *rock* but in the Greek the distinction between the types is clearly seen.

Peter is not the bedrock that the church is built on. That tile belongs to Jesus as stated here in other passages....

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Romans 9:33
as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

http://biblos.com/romans/9-33.htm

1 Peter 2:8
and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

http://biblos.com/1_peter/2-8.htm

Peter himself clearly identifies Jesus as the *petra* in his own epistle.


98 posted on 01/19/2012 5:00:44 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

This big rock little rock nonsense is rather pitiful and dated.
I was busy with post #87, you might want to look...

Matt 16:18-19 rejects your assertion and highlights your lack of understanding.

“And I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Iwill give your the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

So, what do you suppose is meant when Christ says “And I say to you, you are Peter....etc.”? How many people was Christ speaking to at that moment?

Infallibility applies only to ex-cathedra pronouncements on matters of faith and morals.

As for “infallible successors”...
Do you suppose Christ’s authority presented in 16:18-19, was meant to end with the life of Peter or the other Apostles? How meaningless would that be?
As for your weak opinion regarding the meaning of Timothy and your alleged “silence” regarding Peter’s authority, try these on for size:
Mt 16:18-19
Lk 22:32
Jn 21:17
Mk 16:7
Lk 24:34
Acts 1:13-26, 2:14, 2:41, 3:6-7, 5:1-11, 8:21, 10:44-46, 15:7, 15:19
Gal 2:11-14
Peter’s name ALWAYS heads the list of Apostles and occurs 195 times, more than all of the rest put together.
...off to teach Catholic Apologetics class tonight....


99 posted on 01/19/2012 5:08:19 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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