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For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that the long-form birth certificate placed on the White House blog was created by the Hawaiian Dept. of Health. I do believe that whatever they created is in the hands of his personal lawyer, the one who went there to pick up two copies. I believe that one of them is the basis for what you see in the pdf but that pdf was not created by the Dept. of Health. The real thing was scanned and then modified to make the data on it match what he previously released on the short-form. For the same reason they wouldn’t vouch for the short-form, the Hawaiian Dept. of Health won’t vouch for the long-form. There’s no way that any real long-form birth certificate contains a stamp, on the FRONT, mind you, that says TXE instead of THE. That “error” was likely introduced to sidestep laws against forging a seal of certification. If you recall, nobody has ever seen or examined the underlying document that Obama’s lawyer picked up in Hawaii. If it was even present at the press conference, the spokeperson merely waved it at a distance, would not let the media examine it, and then removed it from the room before Obama even spoke. The special visit to the supposed long-form by Savannah Guthrie, notwithstanding. Her photos are no more evidence than an image on the Internet.

It is a perspective that I will keep in mind, and I consider it a reasonable possibility, but I don't consider it likely because of that "official seal" and because Hawaii isn't contradicting it. This could be explained in the manner you suggest, but it just doesn't seem likely to me. I find it improbable. Not impossible, just less likely in my mind.

I do agree with you about the two documents in possession of the Lawyer. I am certain those are real insofar as Hawaii will certify. For whatever Reason, the Lawyer certainly seems guarded about them. Hopefully the judge will force them into his perusal, and if they ARE replacement documents, hopefully the judge will announce so and demand the "original" document.

butterdezillion proved that the official (embossed) seal on Obama’s long-form birth certificate is not official. It’s the wrong size, for one thing. It’s barely visible on the scanned version on the WH blog.

The stamped certification is on the front, although other birth certificates are stamped on the back. Even a reporter at the press conference asked why the back of the birth certificate that the spokesperson was holding didn’t have a stamp.

The Hawaiian Dept. of Health has been asked and they will NOT verify OR condemn the online image. They will NOT say that they created it or say that what’s on it matches what’s in their records. They hide behind their privacy laws about not releasing any vital records information to people not allowed to receive it.

In this case, to say that something on the short-form or the long-form is NOT accurate would be (in their rationale) releasing information about a person’s vital records. It’s tortured reasoning, but they do it, among other reasons, BECAUSE they support Obama. It’s legalese that allows them to avoid having the full weight of the Obama WH come down on them, for one thing.

It may be that his original is sealed because of an adoption that he is hiding from the public. If it’s sealed, then there are more layers of law and policy that allow them to continue to obfuscate.

I do believe, as you do, that the certified copies Obama’s PERSONAL lawyer picked up are real. (Note that it was NOT the WH lawyer.)

Whatever those copies say is likely the TRUTH about the circumstances of his birth. He needed a waiver, perhaps because it was an adoption. But what we see on the released version is NOT what’s on the version the Dept. of Health gave his lawyer, I’d be willing to bet.

Say that it was an adoption and the Dept. of Health obviously knows that the parent(s) listed on the WH blog aren’t the ones on the version his lawyer received from them. Are they going to tell that to the public? They cannot do so. Which is why they evade the issue when asked.

They say nothing one way or the other. Not only don’t they condemn the birth certificates, they DON’T say they’re accurate, either.

IF those birth certificates are real and IF they match what he told the world, then there’s absolutely no logical reason to not present one of them to the court. Better yet, to ask the Hawaiian Dept. of Health to send a copy of the ORIGINAL, a copy of the page from the birth index (handwritten log book), and a copy of the microfilm directly to the court, along with a representative who will swear under penalty of perjury that all of it is authentic.