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To: PA-RIVER
Any real document in Hawaii will not match what Obama has thus far produced. We know that the long form is a fabrication. So they will not cooperate because they can't cooperate without getting caught.

I've said this many times. I think that fabricated document Obama has produced was fabricated by Hawaii DOH. I think it is a replacement birth certificate which is intended to look like an original. (Just like mine) When State's issue replacement birth certificates, they really aren't designed to survive intense scrutiny by interested parties. They are designed to pass a cursory inspection by someone glancing at them.

I think Hawaii DOH sent the PDF to the White House (or gave it to Obama's attorney) and they didn't realize it contained the evidence of it's creation. (They are bureaucrats and they aren't very smart.)

Anyway, I think it *IS* a legal document, but it is NOT an *ORIGINAL* document. Whether or not the Judge will consider this in evaluating it (should they produce a certified copy) is another thing altogether.

So risking the loss of one or more states is a preferable option for them.

If producing the correct documents demonstrates that they have been LYING to everyone from the very beginning then, Yeah, losing a State is the lesser of two evils from their perspective. However, I would suggest (as I have been for the last 3 years) that if he loses a single state because he refuses to produce the document, it will be too big of a story for the Media to bury, and it will cause political repercussions throughout the country.

An honest candidate could and would surrender every DOH document for inspection. This is unbelievable that an American President would choose to do this.

And something that Most Republicans and Conservatives who have been against the "birther" issue don't understand. It should not even be a QUESTION that someone running for President should PROVE that they meet the qualifications. We should not be having this debate. EVERYONE should have said "So the birthers want to see your birth certificate. That is completely reasonable and is in fact a requirement to get on ANY ballot. "

How did we get to a point where the bulk of Republicans and Conservatives are siding with Obama AGAINST showing his bonafides? What the H3ll is wrong with these people?

47 posted on 01/19/2012 7:00:11 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
How did we get to a point where the bulk of Republicans and Conservatives are siding with Obama AGAINST showing his bonafides? What the H3ll is wrong with these people?

I think it's a case of Mutually Assured Destruction.

Interesting now to hear the radio talkers railing about the paltry level of factual documentation released about Obama back in 2008 compared to the full on adversarial discovery the Republican candidates this year are being subjected to. It was in their best interests to cover the eligibility issue even if it did bring mocking and ridicule from the power elites. Now they're part of the coverup whether they want to be or not.

48 posted on 01/19/2012 7:31:35 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: DiogenesLamp

For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that the long-form birth certificate placed on the White House blog was created by the Hawaiian Dept. of Health. I do believe that whatever they created is in the hands of his personal lawyer, the one who went there to pick up two copies. I believe that one of them is the basis for what you see in the pdf but that pdf was not created by the Dept. of Health. The real thing was scanned and then modified to make the data on it match what he previously released on the short-form. For the same reason they wouldn’t vouch for the short-form, the Hawaiian Dept. of Health won’t vouch for the long-form. There’s no way that any real long-form birth certificate contains a stamp, on the FRONT, mind you, that says TXE instead of THE. That “error” was likely introduced to sidestep laws against forging a seal of certification. If you recall, nobody has ever seen or examined the underlying document that Obama’s lawyer picked up in Hawaii. If it was even present at the press conference, the spokeperson merely waved it at a distance, would not let the media examine it, and then removed it from the room before Obama even spoke. The special visit to the supposed long-form by Savannah Guthrie, notwithstanding. Her photos are no more evidence than an image on the Internet.


88 posted on 01/22/2012 11:40:46 AM PST by Greenperson
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