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To: Eldon Tyrell
1100 Black students/year in the US score over 700 on the math SAT.

I've done some quick research to flesh out my understanding of SAT score among ethnic groups and haven't been able to find a breakdown by number of students/year. Can you recommend a reference source?

69 posted on 01/17/2012 2:59:04 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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I looked that other one up quickly today - probably googled “Sat score Black 1350” or something. I just ping google till I get a good run of data. This link I just got for “SAT score blacks greater than 700”. The 1132 qty for 2010 Blacks >700 is down near the bottom of the page.

The point is not the pure accuracy of the numbers - they can go up or down a bit - the point is - they are repeatable, and the trends are consistent. Said differently - 9X as many whites score >700 than blacks. it tracks all through the numbers.

http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

I’ve been looking at this problem for about ten years - because it is really quite shocking, and heavily PC blanketed. It always comes out about the same - about 200 points on math and Verbal. I never count writing.

Just did a little google - foud this archive 1 below - looks like a treasure trove of fun stuff.

Second link to college board home.

Third link is from the college board site - directly to race and gender breakdown. This seems to say 1% of about 200K Blacks scored more than 700 - but I think the 50 point filter is set too wide.

Fourth link = best - I had to dig a bit on college board site - looks like the last few years they took some of the data out of the reports - so I just looked at archived reports, and it was right there.

Anyway - dig around - sometimes you have to cross reference one table to another.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/education.html

http://professionals.collegeboard.com/data-reports-research/sat/data-tables

http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/SAT-Percentile-Ranks-by-Gender-Ethnicity-2011.pdf

http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/cbs-2009-national-TOTAL-GROUP.pdf


72 posted on 01/17/2012 7:11:55 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: Scoutmaster

In my note I said 9X as many white -

It should read the % of whites who score >700 is 9X as great.

Something like 50X as many whites score >700 than Blacks.


74 posted on 01/17/2012 9:20:45 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Here is the killer quote:

If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation’s most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Nationwide, 33,841 students scored at least 750 on the math test and 30,479 scored at least 750 on the verbal SAT. Therefore, black students made up 0.7 percent of the test takers who scored 750 or above on the math test and 1.2 percent of all test takers who scored 750 or above on the verbal section.

Once again, if we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the calculations and compare only blacks and whites, we find that 0.2 percent of all black test takers scored 750 or above on the verbal SAT compared to 2.2 percent of all white test takers. Thus, whites were 11 times as likely as blacks to score 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Overall, there were 49 times as many whites as blacks who scored at or above the 750 level.


So - 244 Blacks scored >750 math. >750 Math is average for Duke Eng.
Duke matriculates 170 Blacks/yr. Effectively - Duke needs 70% of ALL Blacks nationwide who scored >750 math.

etc.


75 posted on 01/17/2012 9:26:28 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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