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Obamacare can “work” if it identifies when your end-of-life starts, and limits that spending sharply. Why do an MRI on a late-stage Alzheimer’s patient? Why do heart surgery on someone who is over 70? Diagnosed with something Obamacare decides is terminal no matter what? Don’t spend much on it but provide hospice care. Screening for cancers? Cut that way back because it’s only positive a few percent of the time.

Obama alluded to this in a speech, sometimes you have to tell grandmaw that she does not get the operation, but gets pain pills instead.


2 posted on 01/13/2012 7:31:20 AM PST by DBrow
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Dad is old, he doesn’t need that pacemaker. Aunt Sally is overweight, let her die. Uncle Harry is an alcoholic, he’s getting what he deserves.

Cousin Bruce has AIDS, open your wallet.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 7:38:54 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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Obama alluded to this in a speech," Sometimes you have to tell grandmaw that she does not get the operation, but gets pain pills instead".

On the other end of the spectrum King Herod (Obama) is ordering the killing of the unborn and defective infants. What a world. I'm beginning to pray that the Mayans had the insight.

7 posted on 01/13/2012 7:48:09 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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There is some abuse, though. Doctors in south Florida are still ordering mammograms and colonoscopies for my 95-year-old step-mother-in-law. She would never survive chemo or an operation. Ten years ago, they did carpal tunnel surgery on her as well as shoulder surgery, which nearly killed her. She goes to doctors a minimum of four days a week, and they do not let her leave until she schedules another appointment. It is a disgrace.


12 posted on 01/13/2012 8:13:24 AM PST by Montanabound
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There is some abuse, though. Doctors in south Florida are still ordering mammograms and colonoscopies for my 95-year-old step-mother-in-law. She would never survive chemo or an operation. Ten years ago, they did carpal tunnel surgery on her as well as shoulder surgery, which nearly killed her. She goes to doctors a minimum of four days a week, and they do not let her leave until she schedules another appointment. It is a disgrace.


14 posted on 01/13/2012 11:14:24 AM PST by Montanabound
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Levin received a call from a brain surgeon, who said he just came from a meeting where guidelines were revealed for the care and treatment of neurological disorders in those over 70.

Simple really, if the Unit is over 70 and has a neurological event such as a stroke or hemorrhage the Unit will receive comfort care only.

Note patients are no longer persons, they are Units.

Any fool knows the cheapest health care is none.

15 posted on 01/13/2012 12:59:58 PM PST by itsahoot (You are no longer a person, you are a Unit when you need health care.)
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To: DBrow

My Dad, who had a pacemaker when he was 61, had to have it replaced at 75. He was in good health and I wondered about the cost, which was $31,000, I believe. He lived to be 88 and was in good health up until he was 85 and mostly lucid until the end. He went into a nursing home at age 87. So, end-of-life care would have denied him an extra 10 years of good health, during which he cared for my Mom, who had Alzehimers. Without the new pacemaker at age 75, that could not have happened. It’s a slippery slope to start intervening on a supposition.

In the end, at age 88, he got a massive septic infection, went into the hospital and the doctor said he was too far gone to do anything else but let him die — indeed he was already in the process of dying. No further intervention was done. He was removed from a breathing tube and breathed on his own for several more days, with the help of an oxygen mask. He was given food when he asked for it. Otherwise, he was not fed. When I tried to feed him, he did not want to be fed. I think his healthcare was handled right every step of the way.


25 posted on 01/14/2012 4:19:51 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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