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To: Daveinyork
Not crap...I explored the Libertarian Party very closely after the 2008 election, including its platform and positions. In fact, I almost joined the LP. Much of its portfolio is very appealing from a fiscal and limited government standpoint, but I also found that it is infested with crackpots.

And so what I just posted is absolutely true from my own observations and private discussions with long-time Libertarians. And the vicious attacks against Sarah Palin in 2009 and 2010 from elements within the LP confirm this.

The party would be much more viable on the national stage if it got rid of the things I mentioned and its crackpots, and moved closer to Conservative values.

6 posted on 01/12/2012 5:15:51 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

There are crackpots in the LP (I’m not a member. I’m a crackpot in the Republican Party.) There are crackpots in the GOP, and I think that includes all the present candidates for president.

There are also small business owners who are tired of government intrusions into and expropriations from their businesses.


9 posted on 01/12/2012 5:21:46 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Timber Rattler
For context...

Palin Drives Libertarians out of Tea Party

The infiltration of the Libertarian movement by the FAR LEFT

Now for a Real Underdog: Ron Paul, Libertarian, for President (1988)

The Current Platform of the Libertarian Party

13 posted on 01/12/2012 5:31:01 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Not crap...”

Yes crap.

The article is about REPUBLICANS with libertarian ideals, not “libertarians” in the self-styled “Libertarian” Party.

Your argument against the conclusions of the article *is* a straw man because you are arguing against the infestation of idiots in the Libertarian Party. This is about conservative Republicans who have libertarian ideas about the role of the Federal Government and has nothing to do with the LP.

If you had actually read the article, you would have seen that the author criticized the LP. Stop saying the libertarian leaning Republicans who think RP is a nutjob are equivalent to “Libertarians” in the LP. They aren’t and Big Government “conservatives” who throw this pig swill aren’t really conservatives.


15 posted on 01/12/2012 5:51:22 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Timber Rattler; sergeantdave

Things don’t change much for the Libertarian Party, here is the 1990 Libertarian Party Platform on immigration and the 2004 Libertarian Party Platform on immigration.

17. IMMIGRATION, 1990 Party Platform:
We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.

We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally. We oppose government welfare payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Because we support the right of workers to cross borders without harassment, we oppose all government-mandated “temporary worker” plans. Specifically, we condemn attempts to revive the Bracero Program as government imposition of second-class status on Mexican-born workers.

We welcome all refugees to our shores and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our shores and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

Immigration, 2004 Party Platform:
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


51 posted on 01/12/2012 1:30:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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