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To: Wonder Warthog
I really don't want to bring up Rossi because we all know where things stand but it seems there is a slight change.

We were ready to do a deal for the 1 MW thermal plant but Rossi suggested we wait as he is not ready to sell us a high temp thermal oil 1 MW E-Cat plant".

Did he say that he is working on a thermal oil plant or plans to?

Let's assume it works, depending on the oil, just to pick something, Olive oil has a boiling point of 300oC. I'm not saying he's using olive oil (although it would be funny to speculate on the benefits of extra virgin VS virgin) but, Krivit complains that Rossi kept driving down the efficiencies of the E-cat to 6X unity. Someone mentioned that although the device will work at higher efficiencies (and higher temperatures, they appear linked), it is unstable running there. I wonder if the oil makes a difference and since he could run the oil thats boiling point is 3x the temperature of boiling water, run it through a heat exchanger and use that steam to drive a turbine.

Would the E-cat be stable there (higher efficiencies and temperatures) using oil over water?

Dang it all, it is frustrating to just wait; I wonder how Krivit feels. Does he still have access to Rossi or was Rossi throwing him in with the snakes comment cutting him off?

His home E-cat is cheaper then the pellet stove we're looking at and you still have to pay to install it (it's not rocket science to install but if I make a mistake and burn the house down, what is my recourse?) You also have to buy the pellets once a week or so depending on the grueling California weather and I still have to have a regular water heater.

There's a lot of people waiting for a sign. Does he have an E-cat set up so if it's successful we get white smoke like the Pope?

72 posted on 01/11/2012 9:14:52 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
His home E-cat is cheaper then the pellet stove we're looking at
If you're going to get an E-Cat to heat your house, make sure to pick up the matching winter coats, just like Rossi wears when running his E-Cats in a small room!


73 posted on 01/11/2012 10:21:09 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Lx
"Did he say that he is working on a thermal oil plant or plans to?"

Yes.

"Let's assume it works, depending on the oil, just to pick something, Olive oil has a boiling point of 300oC. I'm not saying he's using olive oil (although it would be funny to speculate on the benefits of extra virgin VS virgin) but, Krivit complains that Rossi kept driving down the efficiencies of the E-cat to 6X unity. Someone mentioned that although the device will work at higher efficiencies (and higher temperatures, they appear linked), it is unstable running there. I wonder if the oil makes a difference and since he could run the oil thats boiling point is 3x the temperature of boiling water, run it through a heat exchanger and use that steam to drive a turbine.

I think the reason Rossi kept "reducing the efficiency" was because he didn't actually know how to design a really efficient heat-removal means from the "core", and also didn't have a good automatic control system. He was getting stability by trading off additional electric heating power with his existing (poor) capability to cool the core (and hence having it go into "thermal runaway" conditions). It is very simple to get an off-the-shelf temperature controller, so he could easily control the current to his auxiliary heater, and thus get "some" level of control, but not good.

The "fat E-cat" had a completely different internal heat exchange, and was more stable (and thus finally yielded the ability to "self-sustain", at least for a while).

"Would the E-cat be stable there (higher efficiencies and temperatures) using oil over water?

I think if the heat-exchange and control system are well-engineered, that the E-Cat will be stable pretty much wherever you set it, as long as that doesn't cause the nickel substrate to "change state" (i.e. melt or deform) and lose its ability to promote whatever reaction is happening.

"Dang it all, it is frustrating to just wait; I wonder how Krivit feels. Does he still have access to Rossi or was Rossi throwing him in with the snakes comment cutting him off?"

Indeed it is frustrating, but it's all we can do. IMO, Rossi has pretty much blown off ALL journalists other than a very limited subset of people he has known and trusted for a long time (and hence so much information flowing through "22passi" and Danielle Passerini).

78 posted on 01/11/2012 4:24:51 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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