Celani, Piantelli Geneva LENR Presentations

ECat News ^ | January 9, 2012 | Roy Viriglio

[Kevmo]

Celani, Piantelli Geneva LENR Presentations
January 9, 2012
Francesco Celani is a colourful and respected character in the evolving LENR scene. An experienced nuclear physicist, it was he who tried to sneek a peek at the radiation spectra during the January 2011 eCat demo before Rossi stopped him. An offer to test the eCat in order to settle the mud surrounding it was refused by the inventor who pointed out that such a move would only benefit competitors .

Celani has not been idle and recently reported success working with Ni H reactions. It appears that his efforts do not lie on a single line as he explores the field in different directions. According to reports on 22passi, he will present an interesting result during the UN WSEC sustainable energy conference in Geneva (10-12 Jan). From 22passi and translated by Google:
In these weeks our group, working with long and thin wires having the surface coated with micro-nano-particles, get re-confirmation of a phenomenon, by us, seldom observed in some previous experiments: the specific alloy used (Cu-Ni), that usually has Positive Temperature Coefficient (PTC) of the resistance, if absorbs large amount of Hydrogen, changes to Negative TC. Such phenomenon is correlated to anomalous heat production and increases as the anomalous heat increases. If such key phenomenon will be kept under full control, because its behaviour can be observed with simple instrumentation, it can be open the door to systematic work, worldwide, to find the “optimal” material and operating point .

If this result is verified, it could prove a powerful analytical tool when trying to discover the process underlying LENR. If the effect ranges over a number of materials and dopant strengths, a researcher may be able to use the switch in resistance as a marker to electronically signal when excess heat is optimal and with what mix of materials .

Compare the situation with that in 1989. Thousands of scientists around the world groped blindly for an effect as elusive as the Yeti. Now researchers understand (to an extent) why the reaction was so elusive and are able to create it at will. This is just the start. If Celani’s result holds, it could form part of a growing arsenal that will be brought to bear on the problem. With luck, we are seeing early signs of what’s to come .

Many people are angry at scientists, forgetting that it is they who will eventually take the ragged toddler that is LENR and push him to maturity .

Roy Virgilio also reports that Piantelli, the scientist many think is hot on the heels of Rossi, will also present something new and worthy .

The following tease was also posted by Roy (he has been reliable in the past). Translated by Google:
WSEC 2012, cold fusion becomes mainstream science! And ‘with great pleasure that we point out an extremely important international event to be held at the UN in Geneva 10 to 12 January 2012 and promises to change that finally and definitively the future of so-called “Cold Fusion”. ‘s “International Sustainable Energy Organisation” (ISEO) UN organization, is preparing an international conference on sustainable energy that will be also emphasized on LENR studies and the results achieved in recent years. In fact it is un’ufficializzazione of this technology in front of politicians, organizations and companies around the world. Fortunately for us, and in recognition of the tremendous work carried out in recent years in our country, indeed the forefront of this sector, our speaker will be done by Francesco Celani INFN Frascati. I am attaching the final abstract of the speech Celan (which will have a plenary session of about 15 minutes worldwide and two hours in workgroups of scientists) and the agenda of the day (Celani and LERNA be found in Group III). Good read …. and that is the right time that the subject of cold fusion and funded as it should be reassessed to arrive in our homes as soon as possible. The world could change for the better. Roy
Exciting times .

[With thanks to Ivan Mohorovicic]

[Wonder Warthog]

"Since Celani has, both in your earlier post and in this slideshow, excluded Rossi and Defkalion from his presentation of evidence of Cold Fusion, I guess that makes Celani part of the "psycho-skeptic crowd"."

Celani is addressing the SCIENTIFIC proof for CF, to a group of scientists. OF COURSE he is not going to include Rossi or Defkalion, as they have not provided proof to the necessary scientific standard of information. Celani most definitely believes that CF is real, and that Rossi has accomplished something.

This differs from the psycho-skeptics (like you) in that to them EVERY SINGLE DATUM absolutely MUST be interpreted as another "it's a scam" item. Perhaps you should also check into Rossi's grade school and high school time. Maybe his awards for track are fake. Sorry, but that approach isn't scientific, and in fact isn't even sane.

[Wonder Warthog]

"By the way, where is Kullander's analysis of the "fuel" and "ash" from Rossi's gadget? It was supposed to be available by Christmas, and would have gone a long way toward proving or disproving Rossi's claims."

Good question. Since you're such an intrepid investigator, why don't "you" ask him.

"I'm sure that, if it vindicated Rossi, it would be plastered all over the hundreds of Rossi fanboy web sites.

I'm sure that ONCE IT IS RELEASED, it will show up on most or all of the CF reporting sites, no matter what it shows.

[Wonder Warthog]

"What happened to Aussie Guy? He had two of the P&F type cells supposedly working (1 watt ea.). He had received them from Japan so that's at least three different types of LENR technology. Something is happening but what?

P&F type electrolysis cells have to be run for many days before there is sufficient loading of D2 for the reaction to initiate. All Aussie-guy has is two new cells. He is a long way from being ready to generate data.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I've read more on LENR in the last week than I have all last year. From what I've read, it appears science is playing catch up on this and the ones that can't explain it just brush it off but brush off or whatever, they still can't explain it.

Well, they're trying like hell to brush it off. "This time" I don't think they will be able to. There are too many replications coming from too many reputable researchers/organizations for that to happen.

"Removing Rossi from the equation and looking at the research is a much better method since we've all seen what Rossi is and has."

LENR-CANR.org is still the best single repository of CF science. It is a bit overwhelming since there is SO MUCH stuff there. I'm just working through the proceedings if ICCF (International Conference on Cold Fusion) 15, which have just been posted. I'm barely into it, and there is a ton of good info.

The "Foreword" by McKubre summarizing the work at SRI and in collaboration with other CF labs is revealing as to how fiendishly difficult getting control of electrolysis-cell based CF cells actually is.

"Talk about timing, being a physics grad student at this time, that would be awesome."

"If" a young physics grad student were to go to his thesis/dissertation physics professor advisor and opined that he wanted to work on CF, he would be quietly taken to one side and told in whispers "You don't want to go there, if you do, your career will be stifled before it starts".

It would take quite a strong and self-confident student to buck that.

[Johnny B.]

The difference is that Kevmo's is HUMOR. Yours is just repetitive drivel.

Humor is a matter of opinion, but nothing is funny when it gets repeated ad nauseam, as Kevmo does.

And, I'm not posting my message for you or Kevmo. It's for people first encountering the Rossi story, who deserve to get the full story, not just the breathless, glowing fiction being spread by the fanboys.

Feel free to ignore my posts.

[Johnny B.]

As for Sterling Allan, he's probably not even involved as he is a true believer

He may be a "true believer", but he is responsible for pesn.com and peswiki.com, which has been the primary source of lies, half-truths and innuendo for Rossi for the last year.

Allan also created the first version of Rossi's "commercial" web site, ecat.com.

I count Allan's involvement and support of Rossi's operation as one of the better reasons to conclude that it's a scam.

[Johnny B.]

OF COURSE he is not going to include Rossi or Defkalion, as they have not provided proof to the necessary scientific standard of information.

And yet, the fanboys are absolutely positive that Rossi (and Defkalion) are legitimate, even though, as you admit, they have not provided proof.

Celani's recent comments seem to be hedging on Rossi and Defkalion. Maybe Celani knows something we don't?

I'll bet you believe that magicians really do saw their assistants in half.

[Johnny B.]

P&F type electrolysis cells have to be run for many days before there is sufficient loading of D2 for the reaction to initiate. All Aussie-guy has is two new cells. He is a long way from being ready to generate data.

Please explain why "Aussie Guy" would be investing $100,000 to produce 1-Watt demonstration cells, when Rossi is allegedly already selling 1-Megawatt devices?

[TheOldLady]

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[Johnny B.]

Good question. Since you're such an intrepid investigator, why don't "you" ask him.

I may have to, since none of the fanboys have bothered to do so.

That's one of the biggest reasons a reasonable person would doubt the fanboy collective. The fanboys spread each new unsubstantiated claim as though it's hard news, but then they totally forget about them when the claims turn out to be false.

Another example is the customer Rossi claimed would step forward. We're still waiting.

[Moonman62]

Not that that matters to the psycho-skeptic crowd, of course. To them, NO proof will ever be acceptable. No matter how many times the effect is replicated, they will refuse to believe it, and either call it fraud or incompetence.

A theory that leads to rate of reaction calculations that accurately predict energy output would certainly be acceptable. But all you still have is unusable anomalies and phenomenons. The same old same old.

[Moonman62]

Is there anything these imaginary devices won't do?

That reminds me of Homer Simpson pondering the many benefits of Duff beer.

[Kevmo]

Kevmo, notice that my list keeps getting longer,
***No I didn’t. I don’t bother reading your list. At one time I countered the points in it but I’m too busy to chase that down.

Since you’re such a Rossi fanboy
***BZZZT wrong. I’m a LENR fan, not necessarily a Rossi fan.

I’m basically at the point where I find very little value in what you write.

[Kevmo]

Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164

• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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[Kevmo]

It’s for people first encountering the Rossi story, who deserve to get the full story,
***As some of the seagull brigade call them, your imaginary friends.

[Lx]

P&F type electrolysis cells have to be run for many days before there is sufficient loading of D2 for the reaction to initiate. All Aussie-guy has is two new cells. He is a long way from being ready to generate data.

I've read that before. Another problem was labs weren't following the instructions to the letter, they were modifying them. Then the device didn't work. They should have started with the P&F baseline and gone from there.

What does D2 loading do? D2 is the deuterium that the palladium electrode sit in if I recall correctly?

Once the reaction starts, how long does it run for, what is the limiting reagent or (reactant) in this case (reactant stolen from Wiki)? Since D2 is a gas, is it dissolved in water or another solvent and it's not 'heavy water' is it?

If the cell has to run a long time before they see the effect, have they counted the energy used to prepare the cell before it starts running and is it over unity when it's all taken into account?

Thanks for the time I know you're swamped. I'm too beat to read more on the LENR-CANR site but that will probably have to wait until the weekend assuming of course that I don't end up sleeping or working through it.

[Lx]

LENR-CANR.org is still the best single repository of CF science. It is a bit overwhelming since there is SO MUCH stuff there. I'm just working through the proceedings if ICCF (International Conference on Cold Fusion) 15, which have just been posted. I'm barely into it, and there is a ton of good info.

The "Foreword" by McKubre summarizing the work at SRI and in collaboration with other CF labs is revealing as to how fiendishly difficult getting control of electrolysis-cell based CF cells actually is.

That's #1 on my list to read.

"If" a young physics grad student were to go to his thesis/dissertation physics professor advisor and opined that he wanted to work on CF, he would be quietly taken to one side and told in whispers "You don't want to go there, if you do, your career will be stifled before it starts".

It would take quite a strong and self-confident student to buck that.

While I agree, especially after seeing what they did to a researcher like Taleyarkhan, being young means you think you know it all so maybe someone will force the issue although PO'ing your adviser isn't going to make your life easier.

Is it science or is it politics and who started this trend? I can't imagine things like the transistor or microprocessor being developed in an environment like this. Politically correct should not be said in the same breath as science, it actually P****s me off as Cartmen would say. .

[Lx]

He may be a "true believer", but he is responsible for pesn.com and peswiki.com, which has been the primary source of lies, half-truths and innuendo for Rossi for the last year.

While that is all too true, anyone who takes those sites seriously probably listens to coast to coast who has Allan on all the time. These are the people that think Joseph Newman, Tilly, Steorn and Dennis Lee are all being suppressed.

My point is that Allan is a sucker for anything like this so Rossi doesn't have to con him, he does it for free.

I can't think of anyone who does this in my industry but if someone who worked for me came in with the equivalent of Allan's site to get me to go for new technology, you could hear my laughter from here.

So, you didn't vote for Allan in 2004 heh heh?

Normally I don't want to give anyone hard times for how they look, I hardly have room to talk but I swear, does slack jawed yokel apply to anyone better then Allan? There's a picture of Rossi and Allan and Rossi has this look of disdain for Allan it seems. Of course, I can't find it but if I do, I'll post it.

[Lx]

Remember, Homer destroyed Lisa's over unity device.

In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics! Homer Simpson.

Rusi Taleyarkhan was getting something in the area of sonofusion or LENR but was pilloried and called a fraud in that bastion of science journalism known as the NYT. Another researcher (Seth Putterman) admitted after he had tried to destroy Taleyarkhan and then laughed about it, "We had fun...". It's an incredible read; the players admit their roles and some have absolutely no conscience over it at all. Talk about bad Karma.

WW gave me a link to show how Krivit (the journalist) used to behave but it's much better at showing how a promising lead was suppressed and the researcher was keel hauled.

From New Energy Times where Krivit is an editor

It's like reading a script from a bad movie and it's by the guy who has been writing about Rossi who actually seems to be the good guy. Krivit that is, Rossi isn't involved in the story.

[Wonder Warthog]

"It's for people first encountering the Rossi story, who deserve to get the full story, not just the breathless, glowing fiction being spread by the fanboys."

Well, they certainly won't get the "full story" by reading your stuff, as you only present one side of it from one perspective, as I quickly found out by actually checking back through some of your links.