Posted on 01/08/2012 3:49:48 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
The 2-parent thing only became Birther Doctrine after the BC thing fell apart.
Seems like grounds for an appeal to me. I doubt Alabama law allows for the submission of computer images as evidence, and it certainly must not allow for the submission of FRADULENT computer images.
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I actually still think there is a better than even chance that Barry was born in Canada. (or perhaps northwest Washington.) The known provable facts fit it better than any other explanation.
The 2-parent thing only became Birther Doctrine after the BC thing fell apart.
The BC thing hasn't fallen apart. I don't know any people that believe he has presented an original birth certificate from Hawaii. I personally believe he has presented a replacement birth certificate which was created by the HDOH staff in Hawaii because his ORIGINAL birth certificate is sealed by court order. I think Barry was adopted at least once and probably twice.
The Two Parent thing is legitimate, but it requires a higher level of knowledge to comprehend it. Most of the public has neither the time nor inclination to educate themselves on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Barack_Obama
As of December 16, 2011, 124 Obama nominees to Article III judgeships have been confirmed by the United States Senate:
2 Justices to the Supreme Court of the United States
25 judges to the United States courts of appeals
97 judges to the United States district courts
37 further nominations are currently awaiting Senate action
16 vacancies on the United States Courts of Appeals
64 vacancies on the United States district courts
21 additional federal judiciary vacancies that are anticipated to occur before the end of Obama’s current term
Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )
Exposer: “Alabama Judge dismisses ballot challenge to Obama”
Isn’t it amazing how many media outlets want to print the story that the Obama camp was victorious and the Birther’s are idiots but none want to actually report the case when it’s initiated? How many of these outlets where on the courthouse steps on Dec. 13 when the challenge was orginally filed? How detestable!
He does. They make sure he does, to keep him under their control.
Their neck is as much on the line as is his.
Irrelevant in Obamaland. He is a narcissist, what happens to others never crosses his mind, only that he would be hurt.
He is first, foremost, and always a self-centered coward.
The "BC thing" has never fallen apart. There's still no proof that Obama's alleged birth certificates are legal and accurate. The 2-parent thing came about because some educated Constitutionalists did some research and found the supporting Supreme Court rulings that back it up.
Your memory is fine bgill. You can always find the two- parent - jus sanguinis - argument in the record of the Senate hearings, which were in April 2008. They also include the full Larry Tribe (Harvard Con. Law professor and Obama Adviser, both at Harvard and on his election committee) letter, with Ted Olsen, playing games with the 1790 Naturalization Act, never mentioning that it was retroactive and repealed in 1795.
You can also find the two parent argument in Senate Bill 2678, Obama-McCaskill (pretty audacious huh?), where the Obama election cadre were trying to clear the path to insure that their opponent would be the bought and paid for, not to mention ineligible John McCain. SB2678 was referred to as “A Bill to Insure That Foreign-born Children of Military Citizens are Eligible to the Presidency.” You can also probably still find the YouTube recording of the National Press Club interviews of Obama operative Berg, who spreads tantalizing rumors and Orly Taitz, clearly stating the legal definition of natural born citizen as the reason that birth certificates and Kenyan birth are irrelevant. That was December of 2008.
This is a subtle legal issue which the two Italian lawyers, Leo Donofrio and Mario Apuzzo have done a remarkable job of explaining. In the process, Donofrio has discovered the illegitimacy of Chester Arthur, and the perhaps intentional key error in the Wong Kim Ark decision, in which Justice Gray ignored an earlier court acknowledgement of a misquote by Justice Story in a cited case. The ramifications of Justice Gray's error, could require re-interpretation of the anchor babies. These are remarkable legal times. Read Leo Donofrio’s blog for the latest on the errors in Wong Kim Ark, and for a mor accessible explanation of why Minor v. Happersett was considered positive law by at least twenty six other courts.
Mario Apuzzo's analysis are careful and thorough about both the meaning of the Minor precedent, and especially about the meaning of American common-law. Apuzzo patiently takes on the subtle lies being propagated by Obama lawyers. The opponents of representative government, where the ends justify the means, but certainly not dumb. (For those in the computer business, Apuzzo and Donofrio are employing a tactic used by good developers - putting their intellectual product into the hands of a group committed to finding faults.)
To add to the clarification, whenever anyone tell you “Because it wasn't defined in the Constitution”, note that essentially nothing is defined in the Constitution. The framers included their definition of “Treason”, probably thinking that it might be used frequently. But terms in the Constitution were intentionally deemed defined in our common-law, and the common language familiar to its framers. Madison explained this in a number of places, one of which you'll find in a letter reproduced Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny, p37. Languages change. Ideas can only be preserved by assuming the language used to write them.
By the way, what ever happened with that five pages of my posts that you claimed, a year and a half ago, that someone sent you and which you were forwarding to Jim Robinson? Anything ever come of that? I can post the PM you sent me if you need a reminder.
Good deal then.
You’ll have Obama out of office any day now.
Beautiful analysis. Hat’s off to you.
BladeBrian is actually the creator and administrator of the pro Obama website called Fogbow. He and his members favor that a anchor baby born to illegal aliens can become president someday if born on American soil. They believe a natural born citizen can also be born with citizenship with from another country (like Obama) and that allegiance doesn’t count. He and his posters don’t believe that the founders ever intended the president to be born with sole allegiance to the U.S.. They are behind a lot of eligibility cases that have been dismissed and one of the posters at the Fogbow went to West Point with the Judge who convicted Col Terry Lakin. These people work for Obama and support subverting the Constitution, especially Article 2 Section 1. This is why I joined this forum so these people can be exposed.
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Back before he was elected I do recall the 2 parent citizenship being discussed. There were many of us that said it really didn’t matter if he was or wasn’t born in Hawaii since his father never was a citizen.
Everyone pointed to the fact that on Factcheck.org it was specifically stated that he was born a british subject. Now how can you be born a british subject, but also be a natural born citizen. It can’t happen.
This fact is not recent and dates back to before BO was elected! Just thought I would clarify this for you! I was one of them....
Thanks for the ping!
Regarding the British Citizen/Subject thing, I never bought that. Besides being something of a hair-splitting argument, it makes the implicit statement that US citizenship status is dependent on what another country's laws are.
For example, Slovenia could declare that all left handed red-heads born in the world are Slovenian citizens. That would not, in any way, affect the US citizenship of children born in the US. Only US laws can affect the status of US citizenship.
FWIW, this is the earliest post referencing 2-parent citizenship that I am aware of.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?page=997#997
And the only reply to this post was a contrary argument that two citizen parents were unnecessary.
Aside from this post, everything else I’ve seen is post-election.
FW, check this out.
Very interesting and no one who is not an 0bama suckup will not be surprised. Didn’t know about the Lakin judge connection, though. A lot of rot.
Good point bgill. My family was arguing the point at dinner (see what Obama has done for dinner conversation!) and we didn't have time to break out the Federalist Papers, which already have tomato sauce on them. “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid or Comfort. No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two witnesses to the same overt Act, or on confession in open Court.”
Egypt was not an enemy before Obama’s State Department, with Google’s able assistance, supported Mubarak's replacement with the Muslim Brotherhood's self-described Nazi's. But our State Department and Ron Paul don't believe the Muslim Brotherhood to be an enemy. If only we would agree that Israel has no right to exist, and withdraw our support, the Muslim Brotherhood would be our friends. Clearly Treason wouldn't apply?
Iran, while it promises to destroy “The Great Satin” after destroying Israel, couldn't be serious! Where would Ahmadenijad go to lecture the unbelievers if not to Columbia? Perhaps, given the symbolic success of taking out the World Trade Center, the Brotherhood and Al Queda will leave New York standing. After all, they have a handy recreation center just next door to the symbol of their domination of the unbelievers.
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