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To: buwaya

I appreciate your thoughts. However, I disagree. Marxist states can and have produced great scientists and engineers. They, afterall, got into space first. Our current flawed educational systems can and does do that as well.

It is well to remember the Soviets did not start with a well educated population. Nor did they start with an entrepreneurial population. Certainly, USSR claims to improving literacy in the CCCP were ligitimate—considering the rampant lack of education among the general populace in that country that existed in 1917.

Therefore, unike the US with a fairly well educated general populace, the Soviets did not have to dumb down its population to start with. This made it relatively easy for them to control what people learned, how much they learned and what to think.

The Marxist objective in America for the past 50 or so years has been to dumb down the American population. It did this through coopting the teachers unions. The success of that effort is demonstrated by their successful usurption of the American presidency.

As for arrogation of the decline in American education to “stranger sources” I have no idea what that means. There is a clear cause and effect here. There is nothing strange or unknown about it. America is under assault by Marxism. It has cooped education, media, unions, judiciary, religeous leadership, Wall Street leadership and the GOP.

Marxism requires a marginally well (also read useful)educated and compliant population. American must be dumbed down for it to succeed.

Personally, I’m still optimistic the Marxists shot their wad too soon. That is to say there are still sufficient thinking Americans left to ultimately thwart the assault. Afterall, Marxism has failed everywhere it’s been tried. Since The Marxist Onada was elected there have been two gun buying spurts. The first began soon after his theft of the presidency and continued for almost two years. The second is occuring as I speak.

Certainly any rational person hopes for a peaceful outcome. But I don’t believe the Marxists will go quietly even after they’re beaten at the polls. I’m curious—what would your response to that be?


102 posted on 01/08/2012 4:36:13 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: dools0007world

You don’t have to go all the way to the Soviet Union for an example; East Germany and Czechoslovakia have historically had highly educated populations that had communist educational systems imposed on them. The same results apply.

For that matter, most European countries, whether officially Marxist or not, have had the same type of system forced on them to one degree or another.

The US version of educational evolution is peculiar because although it was driven by leftists it does NOT fit the very pragmatic Marxist educational model. Rather it fits a cross between the Deweyite model, which has never impressed international Marxists, even to the extent they ever heard of it they were not impressed. It is essentially a license to permit any sort of subjectivism.

The other peculiar influences are from the multicultural/racial consciousness/feminist/environmental/etc. movements. What all this is is a huge pack of fashionable cranks. George Orwell wrote in “Wigan Pier” (1937) that he objected to the tendency of the English leftist movement (he being hard left at the time) to collect and even become dominated by a multitude of cranks with all sorts of non-Marxist bees in their bonnets. The European Marxists he said were not hampered by such a swarm of the illogical, whimsical and useless. Proper Marxists had a single world-view and a single vision of the truth. Beyond this necessary kernel of blind faith they were supposed to be mechanically logical and pragmatic. Foolish fashions were mere bourgeois affectations that didn’t belong in a workers movement.

Well, thats what we have here - the American left is not really a workers movement at all, it is a loose alliance of undirected, underinformed, underemployed and illogical cranks - nearly all the cranks a society can produce. They are powerful because they dominate fashion, so all their multitude of irreconcilable ideas are fashionable. Hence the incoherence and illogic of their institutions. It seems to many like its a conspiracy. It isn’t, its just the mass stupidity caused by the whims of the over-comfortable.


103 posted on 01/09/2012 2:49:51 PM PST by buwaya
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