[trek]

The might be said of Stonewall, Forrest, Watie and many more who fought to uphold the Constitution.

This is a myth. Those men fought for their States whose rights under the Constitution of 1787 were abrogated by Lincoln and the other radical Republicans. The same goes for Robert Lee.

Dispelling this myth is important as the Constitution will no more protect your liberties today than it protected the rights of the citizenry 150 years ago.

[John S Mosby]

It is quite well understood by varina that the Constitution was abrogated-- and that is the point. We are still trying to uphold the right of our States and de-numerating the powers of the federal government. As opposed to jacksnipes like our presentdent who thinks the Constitution is a document of negative rights, and something to be got around. As for Stonewall, Forrest and Watie--all expressed their reasons as being for their State as described in the Constitution. Watie's situation was doubly so, in that he had already experienced Jacksonian democracy resulting in internecine bloodshed in the political split of the Cherokee Nation, with his uncle murdered by National Party Cherokees.

Like many Cherokee, Watie learned not to trust the federal government- to the point of taking sides within the Cherokee nation on the question. In the end the abrogation extended to every facet of public life and the march of progressivism began. It is a sad story. And a greatly re-written one, with little caution for the facts, which are not remembered as myth.

[rockrr]

How could Lincoln “abrogate” anyone’s rights when he hadn’t even taken office?

[varina davis]

You are correct and I should have said states rights, for indeed, that is what they were fighting for.