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To: MMaschin
Since the Motion to Dismiss was denied. It appears that the court will need to determine 3 things. 1) Obama is over the age of 35. 2) Obama has lived in the US for more than 14 years. And, 3) Obama is a 'natural born Citizen'. There is no way around the fact that a US court WILL determine the legal meaning of the term 'natural born Citizen'.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. For Decades I was involved in the gun rights movement, and the consensus during that time was that everyone was afraid to bring a case before the supreme court which argued the 2nd amendment was an INDIVIDUAL right and that it was ILLEGAL for states (or cities) to deprive a citizen of the right to keep and bear arms. The reason everyone was afraid to challenge any laws on this basis was because the court had too many liberals on it who would find that it was NOT an individual right, and thereby setting back Gun rights even further than it was at the time.

What I'm afraid is likely to happen is the same thing that happened in Wong Kim Ark. A misapplication of rejected English Common law of citizenship and another assertion that American Citizenship law is based on English Subject law.

The Lawyer types whom i've been arguing with keep asserting that "born citizenship" is the same thing as "natural born citizenship." (Which it is not.) The Fact is, it matters not what intelligent researched people have learned, it matters what those douche bag lawyer types believe, at least insofar as what such types are likely to decide.

The tendency of the legal system is to run in ruts created by the passage of other wagon loads of crap. (This is called "Precedent.") Because it is convenient and fits their predisposition, I will not be at all surprised to see the lawyer types (read that as Judges) decide that Wong Kim Ark is the controlling case, and that being born a citizen makes someone a "natural born citizen." It is a very hard thing for the legally trained to break away from widespread dogma and look at something objectively. I hope it occurs in this case, but I would not be surprised if the wagon rolls right back into those comfortable legal ruts.

73 posted on 01/04/2012 6:23:34 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
This, from US state department:

“U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.”

This means that if Obama Qualifies, we can also qualify any citizen from any nation on the planet, as long as they can show a US Birth Certificate.

This is pure insanity. A national death wish. It's a fact that we have people from all over the world dropping babies here to get a US BC.

If this stands, the people need to create an amendment to put NBC back to its original meaning.

82 posted on 01/04/2012 12:34:23 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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