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Discarded embers likely cause of Connecticut blaze that killed 5
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/27/us/connecticut-christmas-fire/?iref=obinsite ^

Posted on 12/28/2011 1:07:48 PM PST by angcat

The fire appears to have been caused by hot fireplace ashes and embers, which had been discarded," said Barry Callahan, the chief fire marshal in Stamford, Connecticut.

He said the fire that engulfed the large waterfront Victorian home was accidental, according to preliminary findings, but an investigating is ongoing.

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To: Jim Robinson

Ping to 58. Do you have any input?


61 posted on 12/31/2011 11:26:07 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: reaganaut

He will do the right thing. BTW: didn’t Reagan sign the liberal abortion bill in California? he became pro life afterwards. Would you care to discuss this. When Algore became pro abortion I didn’t see NARAL complaining. Why do you complain when somebody comes over to our side? hmmmmmmm.......Another one who used to be pro life and became pro abortion - Jesse jackson. Did Planned Parenthood reject his support? Nope. But you would turn away anybody who comes over to the pro life side?


62 posted on 12/31/2011 11:32:16 AM PST by juliej
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To: juliej

I believe Reagan had a change of heart. Once he became pro-life, he never flip flopped on it. Mitt has.

Mitt can’t do the right thing, he doesn’t know what that is.

I love it when people come over to our side, but Mitt isn’t one of them. He is just a lying scumbag trying to get votes.


63 posted on 12/31/2011 11:46:05 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: juliej

You choose to ignore that Romney remained aggressively, passionately, and convincingly pro-choice in his public appearances after Roe v Wade, after the Reagan Presidency and after the decades of intense abortion wars, Romney was fund raising for abortions and liberal Democrat candidates long after the battle lines had been made clear on abortion, and Reagan was never pro-abortion.


64 posted on 12/31/2011 11:56:04 AM PST by ansel12
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To: reaganaut; juliej

Reagan never had to convert from pro-abortion to pro-life, because he was never pro-abortion.

Here is a link to some history on that confused pre- Roe v Wade period (a time I remember), a time when Mitt Romney tells us that he and his family had been strongly pro-abortion for years (since 1963).

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/adamantly_pro_choice_ronald_reagan_and_abortion_in_1967


65 posted on 12/31/2011 12:02:29 PM PST by ansel12
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To: reaganaut; juliej; ansel12
No he isn’t. His own quotes can prove that. He is lying as always to get votes. Ansel, Colo, do either of you have Mitt’s flip flop chart handy on abortion?

YEAR Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'
Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
1994 (Campaign) "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)
1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood... (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
2002-2004 “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)
2005 May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine
2006 April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates
Early 2007 On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true? Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!
Summer 2007 "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?" Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?
December 2007 (Anything 'different' from embryos' perspective than June 2002?) 5.5 years before – June 13, 2002: Romney: ...spoke at a bioethics forum at Brandeis University. In a Boston Globe story filed the next day, he was quoted as saying that he endorsed embryonic stem cell research, hoping it would one day cure his wife's multiple sclerosis. And he went on to say: "I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research," before adding, "I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch." When pressed, however, Romney and his aides declined to offer an opinion on "therapeutic" or embryonic cloning. Source: Weekly Standard December 5, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such schizophrenic "candidate!"

66 posted on 12/31/2011 12:57:56 PM PST by Colofornian (Martyrs don't die in shootouts! Sacrificial lambs aren't armed! J. Smith fired 2 weapons as he died)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks colo.


67 posted on 12/31/2011 1:53:25 PM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: silverleaf; angcat

A putz is a person of low social standing. He is much worse. He was renovating the house, it had not passed inspection, and most tragically, did *not* have smoke alarms.

Idjiots.


68 posted on 12/31/2011 2:34:39 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: angcat
http://gothamist.com/2011/12/31/cops_join_investigation_into_fatal.php

Better coverage in this story. The Stamford municiapl ass is covered because they had not issued the CO for the property. Legally, it appears that no one should have been living there yet.

Nowadays, not too many people know about fireplaces.

69 posted on 12/31/2011 2:41:43 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: juliej
... did I hurt your widdle feewings?

It is clinically interesting to see how your envy is now affecting your basic speech patterns. Envy is an outward manifestation of a progressively debilitating mental condition: first your brain, then your heart, and now your speech. Little wonder then that as you continue to drool you continue to prove my point.

One supposes that in your case it's not exactly affirming to one's femininity to learn that your boyfriend is soon to be "wedding" Barney Frank, but then again one might fairly suppose that he prefers to see your imitation of Barney only as an expression of the highest form of flattery. Cross your fingers: maybe they'll ask you to be a brides-mensch. In any case I'll bet you're sorry you can't stuff ballot boxes for Barney next year like you have in the past.

Since the "Occupy Greenwich" thing kinda fizzled, try "Occupy New Haven." Guns are going off and it's starting to get some local media attention. Who knows, you might even find a few rich little white Yalies and Paul-bots to hang around with.


70 posted on 12/31/2011 4:05:06 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I will check it out...thx.


71 posted on 01/01/2012 6:54:08 AM PST by angcat (NEW YORK YANKEES!)
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To: Agamemnon

You, my dear, project onto people your own physical and moral failings. Yes, indeed!


72 posted on 01/01/2012 10:03:23 AM PST by juliej
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