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U.S. Navy won't tolerate 'disruption' through Strait of Hormuz
CNN.com ^ | 12/28/11 | Barbara Starr

Posted on 12/28/2011 9:46:35 AM PST by ColdOne

(CNN) -- The U.S. Navy said Iran's threat to block the strategically and economically important Strait of Hormuz is unacceptable.

"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.

"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."

The 34-mile-wide shipping channel leads in and out of the Persian Gulf between Iran and Oman. It is strategically important because tankers carrying oil travel through it.

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KEYWORDS: 5thfleet; bahrain; china; hormuz; iran; straitofhormuz; usnavy
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To: ColdOne

What a great time to block the Keystone XL pipeline Barack!!


21 posted on 12/28/2011 10:15:13 AM PST by LC Gladiator (Barack Obama is a malevolent Marxist cockroach and a foul festering pustule on the hide of America.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The commodore of the escort group will do what was done during the “Tanker War” phase of the Iran-Iraq war. He’ll line the tankers up line-ahead and let the lead tanker absorb the mine hit. A modern double-hull supertanker can take a hit and keep going.

I’d fill a tanker with ballast rather than an oil cargo and use it as a low-tech minesweeper. It’s not elegant, but it worked before.


22 posted on 12/28/2011 10:19:45 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: ColdOne

I must have heard wrong . . . on Fox they said oil could approach 300.00 a barrel. Oh yeah. And no Keystone pipleline? Bring it on Nutjob. Let’s see what Zero has when it comes to Texas Hold ‘Em. Oh I forgot, he is busy snorkeling and playing golf in HI.


23 posted on 12/28/2011 10:20:11 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Gingrich/West 2012)
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To: central_va
Actually they are pretty damn invisible to passive sonar when on batteries.

Just to make things more fun the Indians operate Kilo's in the same area. Kinda hard to tell them apart unless you get a real good track. And like you said on something as quiet as a Kilo on batteries that isn't going to be easy.

The good news is that the Iranian Kilos spend a lot of time laid up for repairs. So their ability to take to sea on short notice is unknown. And their crews certainly haven't spent much time at sea. But I hate to count on my enemies stupidity as a strategy. The enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.
24 posted on 12/28/2011 10:21:47 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ColdOne
“Iran's vice president has warned that the country could block the strait if sanctions are imposed on its exports of crude oil.”

Iran's vice president would never had made such a statement if he wasn't convinced that the Obama administration was weak and cowardly. The CIC and the State Department have failed to stand up to Iran. It was left to a naval officer to fill the vacuum.

The appeasement and weakness of the Obama Administration only encourages bad behavior by our enemies.

But some in our government do not think Iran is our enemy. We will end up paying dearly for their stupidity.

25 posted on 12/28/2011 10:23:41 AM PST by detective
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To: Tallguy

That’s pretty cool info. Never knew that.


26 posted on 12/28/2011 10:23:45 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ColdOne
"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.

It looks like someone accidentally put a real leader in charge while the entire Obama Administration is away on vacation.

27 posted on 12/28/2011 10:29:10 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Tallguy
I’d fill a tanker with ballast rather than an oil cargo and use it as a low-tech minesweeper. It’s not elegant, but it worked before.

Heck if you are going to do that just pull an old single hull rust-bucket off the scrap line. As long as it isn't hauling oil you don't need one of the newer boats. Something like 450 of the old single hull boats got phased out in 2010, they probably all haven't been cut up yet. Mount a dozen CIWS along the the sides and run it like a Q-Ship at the lead of the convoy.
28 posted on 12/28/2011 10:29:43 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The idea is double hull, as in, not easily sinkable, which COULD block the strait.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 10:33:04 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Stage a few old tankers on either side of the straight to run interference for the convoys as they enter/exit the Gulf.

Could probably improvise some platforms and a crude hangar deck for ASW helo’s. Of course most of this stuff would have to be done in advance as the missile shooting phase would probably stop with days as I’d expect the Army & Marines to land significant assets to hunt the launchers.

There’s also a few restive provinces in that area of Iran that would probably take the opportunity to string-up some mullahs. There are significant No-Go areas for the Khameni regime.


30 posted on 12/28/2011 10:36:26 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
me thinks that Europe needs the straits open more than u.s.

It will affect everyone. Oil is sold on a global market. Any shortfall in supply will result in higher prices for everyone. It won't matter where that oil comes from. Whether it comes from Alberta, Nigeria, Brazil, or North Dakota, the price will still go up.

31 posted on 12/28/2011 10:38:11 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: driftdiver

The very first thing I thought when I saw the headline this morning. This thing is on several sites and noone seems to be asking the obvious. Since when does the Navy set US foreign policy? Where is the administration? the senate?


32 posted on 12/28/2011 10:39:11 AM PST by douginthearmy (1 vote for Paul = 2 votes! 1 primary vote for Romney and 1 general vote for Obama!)
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To: driftdiver

The very first thing I thought when I saw the headline this morning. This thing is on several sites and noone seems to be asking the obvious. Since when does the Navy set US foreign policy? Where is the administration? the senate?


33 posted on 12/28/2011 10:39:25 AM PST by douginthearmy (1 vote for Paul = 2 votes! 1 primary vote for Romney and 1 general vote for Obama!)
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To: GonzoGOP

An illuminating series of reports (too bad the shoe maker didn’t pay close enough attention to the quality of his own shoes - STRATFOR got badly hacked over the past weekend, and is still ‘down for maintenance’):

http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/iran-and-the-strait-of-hormuz-a-stratfor-global-intelligence-report/#more-34231


34 posted on 12/28/2011 10:40:04 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ColdOne

I am not concerned about this issue or the possibility of $300BBL oil, because Obama has no doubt prepared our country for such events.

Obama’s energy policy will get us through this, in the same way he has taken care of us with his ground breaking policies on our economy.

Hang on, the democrats will save us......

See, there’s nothing to worry about.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 10:41:04 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Tallguy

I like your thinking.A behind the scenes special operations task force can also kick the Iranians in the balls.If they want to up the ante,we can smoke them at will.U.S. should never be underestimated even with BHO usurper in chief.


36 posted on 12/28/2011 10:46:11 AM PST by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Paine)
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To: ColdOne

The US Navy is gonna shoot these 2 out to “Un-Plug” the “Straight of Hormuz”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2823351/posts


37 posted on 12/28/2011 10:46:35 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ColdOne

If he has the patience to wait until the EPA and Democrat Party has worked its poison through the United States of America, he will not have to do anything. We will be in the same condition financially as Britian. Someone posted that servicing out national debt now or will require 41cents of every dollar. That leaves 59 cents. I have no doubt that the Democrats, with Republican help intend to use every one of the 59 cents.


38 posted on 12/28/2011 10:56:03 AM PST by sport
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To: Enchante

The Iranians have some silkworms that could do some damage but we would detect one being launched immediately and we would start sinking their entire fleet. We have 80 attack aircraft on each carrier. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. The Iranians know this. They are just pulling our chain. It is irritating though.


39 posted on 12/28/2011 11:00:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.”

The Iranians don’t have to win a naval duel. They just have to block the passage, a task which could be made easier by provoking the US Navy to sink a lot of vessels in the strait. For a nation that used child-wave attacks against Saddam’s military in their Mesopotamian replay of WWI trench warfare, sacrificing their limited naval assets to block the strait would not be unthinkable.

If the net effect is to block the passage of oil tankers through the strait, whether by sunk vessels which have to be removed, or laying down mine fields which produce sunk vessels which have to be removed, or land-to-sea missile attacks which sink vessels that have to be removed, then ‘mission accomplished’ from the Iranian perspective.

Oil is fungible and both supply and demand are closely balanced and inelastic in the short run, so that spiking prices in Europe, where much of the Iranian oil currently ships, would translate immediately to spiking prices globally. The Iranian economy would be wacked too because of their low refining capacity, but if sanctions are already crippling their economy, they have less to lose than Europe and the rest of the developed world.


40 posted on 12/28/2011 11:19:54 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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