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To: patlin
So Paul is merely speaking for the US Constitution and its separation of church and state.

LOLOLOL....what?

It is so frustrating when a group that claims to be constitutional conservatives act as hypocrites, picking and choosing what parts of the US Constitution they like and which parts are dispensable for religious sake.

LOL...FReep on!

18 posted on 12/27/2011 9:49:28 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Let me expound on what I said regarding separation of church and state.

Scripture teaches us to rely on no man, but to put all our trust, aka faith, in God. We think we go to the polls to vote and it is our vote that elects leaders. How inflated is that? God clearly says it is He that selects ALL leaders and thus He sent us a HUGE message in giving us Obama who was never and never could be qualified to be president according to the US Constitution.

What has happened since? All who have gone up against the machine, even before the so called conservative operatives of that machine, have been shot down as lunatics who have no standing.

The Constitution & Bill of Rights places responsibility for self with self who is to rely on God, not government. The foundation for that comes from Torah. But we now live in a world where govt has become the man-god that man puts his trust in thereby casting off the Constitutional protections that our Creator put in place through our founding fathers.

Therefore, what I mean by separation of church and state is taking what was meant to be for God to do away from an all powerful central govt and putting that govt back in its tiny box where it belongs. And that means getting rid of the IRS and its draconian laws that force churches to register with the government and thus ties the hands of the pulpits from preaching truth.

Our country's branch that was grafted into the tree of life has been cut off and we no longer are under the full covering of His protection. Our founding fathers knew they were not the ones who won freedom from man made govt persecution. They all knew full well the freedom gained was of Divine Providence. And they knew and wrote what would happen should govt be placed in a position higher than God. They also knew that once the states gave up their independence to the central govt, tyranny would abound so that it would not matter where one chose to settle because the tyranny could not be escaped from.

It stymies the mind how conservatives do not understand what the founders meant when they wrote in the Declaration that we are now under the “Laws of Nature and of Nature's God”. The bible is the most oft cited reference in the debates of the continental congress and the constitutional conventions. And while doctrines may have differed, they ALL held to the same core values and those were the values given to man by God. And it was from those values that they never went to war except to protect US citizens(War of 1812).

The Torah gives us example after example of what happens to God's children when they place their trust/faith in man. In 1948 God allowed His children to gain their statehood back and what did they do? They turned around after God gave that rag tag group of men victory and gave God's temple land back to the adversary so excuse me if I do not sound sympathetic. While I do pray for Jerusalem and for the house of Judah(Jews who teach Talmud over Torah), their actions as God's children and the keeper of His Torah are not the actions of trusting and faithful children thus the dispersion continues & the temple remains under control of the adversary until the day Messiah returns.

Not until then will any peace be in the world, so says YHVH! He also says, blessed are those that are persecuted who put their complete trust/faith in YHVH. If we want our country back, then we had better learn what He had to say when He guided our founding father's into victory BEFORE we go to the polls to vote for someone who claims war in the name of religion is constitutional. Religion knows no boundaries and no war based on religion can ever be won by man. That alone is for YHVH for revenge belongs ONLY to Him.

Vengeance is mine saith YHVH

74 posted on 12/27/2011 10:51:26 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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