[TheBigIf]

I say BS. This is the same type of garbage that was claimed about the Patriot Act and the survellience of enemy communications across our borders. Each time it was claimed by the Paulites and Code Pink that all of us were having our freedom taken away and that American citizens were going to be locked up without a trial.

It never happened in the past when PAUL and the left claimed these things and I call BS this time as well.

[An.American.Expatriate]

This is the same type of garbage

So, you claim that no person subject to the Constitution was denied due process based on the Patriot Act or any of the following legislation. Due process meaning that a court was consulted prior to any act of surveilance / detention and/or that a detained person was not denied habeas corpus.

And no, I'm NOT refering to combatants in Iraq / Afghanistan / elsewhere ...

[thepainster]

The bills sponsors state that it applies to American citizens. Here is a link for you for more research.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-american-citizens-on-u-s-soil.html

The bottom line if the executive branch deems you a terrorist you go straight to jail. No phone call. No laywer. No rights what so ever. You could disappear never to be seen again.

I don’t know what your thoughts are on this, but it scares the hell out of me. Just from my past posts on this website.

Next up is the Stop Online Piracy Act, SOPA. This will shut down the alternative media, including Free Republic.

Say what you want about Ron Paul, but he is consistently been against these types of bills.

[microgood]

It never happened in the past when PAUL and the left claimed these things and I call BS this time as well.

Actually it did happen to Joseph Padilla. As a writ of habeas corpus got close to the Supreme Court, Bush knew he would get his head handed to him so he turned Padilla over to the Justice Department. This law is just trying to further codify the Patriot Act.

However, when they try this again, if it makes it to the Supreme Court, this law will be struck down just like major pieces of the Patriot Act already have, and it will not be close (8-1 or 9-0) so they will have to use extrreme care to keep this law on the books.

On the other hand, that does not excuse the traitors that voted for it. May they rot in hell.

[spaced]

“I say BS. This is the same type of garbage that was claimed about the Patriot Act and the survellience of enemy communications across our borders.”

How do full-body xrays and having my luggage pawed square with the 4th Amendment, the one that says “The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, HOUSES, PAPERS, AND EFFECTS, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Maybe you just like being felt up by TSA?

[moehoward]

"I say BS."

For some reason I'm reminded of a tort reform advocate who get s a very rude awakening at the end of his 'successful' PI civil suit....

[af_vet_rr]

This is the same type of garbage that was claimed about the Patriot Act and the survellience of enemy communications across our borders.

I hate Ron Paul, but I hate the TSA, Homeland Security, the PATRIOT Act, and everything else associated with it even worse.

The idiots in the White House and Congress back in 2001 and 2002 decided we should wage war on a noun instead of specific groups, and so we are in a war without end. The government will only keep growing in the name of that "war".